July 14th, 2008

Joined-up Thinking

Posted in The Job - General by 200

So the answer to knife crime is to get people caught carrying a knife to pop down to the local A & E to see the consequences. Fantastic, that ought to cure it. Was that really a cogent & realistic suggestion? Did anyone ask the hospitals, speak with the doctors? what about the knife victims?

MPs are very well paid (apart from the tens/hundreds of thousands they weedle in expenses). They can call on a whole army of civil servants who actually do all the research & donkey work for them, and can access any number of quangos & research companies, so why is it that government policy appears to be not so much basic research which is mulled over, looked into, discussed, re-researched & discussed some more until a working policy emerges & more like a random member of the government appearing on the quiz show ‘Just a Minute’ and being asked to spout everything they can on the possibilities of cutting knife-crime for 60 seconds, no matter how ridiculous?

I’m reminded of the time that Tony Blair announced that the police would be hauling drunken yobs to the nearest cash-point to relieve them of a fine. Sounds good, total bollocks.

When my arse makes noises I’m usually sitting on a porcelain bog with a copy of the Sunday Times on my lap. When a member of the government talks through their arse, national policy is formed.

Prison sentences do little to deter, at least on their own, the reason is that people don’t think they will get caught so the fact that there is a prison sentence of 4 weeks or 4 years is immaterial to someone who wants to commit the crime. What you need to do is make it more likely that someone will actually be caught. If every car was tracked by satellite & you got a fine every single time you broke the speed limit I’d guess you’d pretty soon not speed, if the fine was just increased to £1,000 & 9 points the chances are you’d still speed because you know where the speed cameras are & you are careful about checking for police vehicles so the chances of getting caught are minimal.

You can’t increase the chances of getting caught when you’ve taken police officers off the streets, the ones that are available to catch them are too busy responding to long lists of waiting jobs.

And you can’t up the anti with the prison sentence idea when you have let the prison service rot for years with no investment in the infrastructure such that you have to let most of those already there out early & every couple of years have to house them in police cells because they’re full up, again.


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  1. Tony F says:

    I am afraid this is another example of a clueless politician, way out of their depth trying to appear to do something that looks, well, good (in their eyes) and would be relatively cheap to carry out. It of course fails to address the actual problem. I feel that it actually fails to see the actual problem.

    The only way to deal with persistent violent criminals is to treat them as they treat their victims. Only more so. Anyone else then thinking that carrying and then possibly using a knife (For instance) will end up dangling at the end of a rope in very short order. I appreciate that this will not deter the genuine psychopath or sociopath, but it will get rid of them. The ‘casual’ weapon carrier would then see that it could be terminally stupid to bear unlawful arms.

    July 15th, 2008 at 17:47

  2. Coppercornet says:

    Best post for a while there.
    New policies just add more smoke screens and yet more mirrors to fool the general public into thinking there are more than 4 cops policing 10,000+ people!
    If only these overpaid, self-inportant idiots would do a set of shifts with any force (sorry service) in this hole we call home then they’d soon realise what is needed.

    July 15th, 2008 at 18:37

  3. Agent Douane says:

    HMRC collected approximately £470 billion last year, usually on a budget of around £4 billion. I’d like to see a breakdown of that. I was chatting to an officer quite recently who informed me they spend around 50% of their time looking for children, i.e. a kid goes missing for a few hours from a children’s home. The home is obliged to report it to the Police, the Police are then left with the donkey work, I mean roughly 50% of their time looking for some kid who is probably drinking cider in the park!

    July 16th, 2008 at 20:35

  4. George says:

    The wife came up with a radical idea the other day. In a similar way that parents should (in an ideal world) reinforce and reward positive behaviour in children to encourage it (good behaviour)…how about rewarding positive behavoiour in society in general.
    I.e. what would happen if every car was fitted with a satellite tracker and drivers were rewarded with money for keeping to the speed limit? It might only be a penny per mile but i wonder what effect it would have. The data recorded could be accessed by insurance companies who would then be able to quote insurance based on peoples actual driving performance. Also perhaps the government could introduce a rebate against car tax for slower driving. (i.e. driving at 50 on a motor way saves petrol, saves the plantet etc…)…
    Could the same apply to the parents of children? If a kid behaves then the parents get a bonus payment (or a rebate against council tax)
    The theme behind all this isn’t about rewarding the offenders (not about sending bad kids to Butlins), but rewarding people who don’t offend. And giving offenders the opportunity to be rewarded but only if they don’t offend.
    Anyway, just a thought, probably a thousand holes in it…

    July 17th, 2008 at 13:38

  5. edward says:

    “When my arse makes noises I’m usually sitting on a porcelain bog with a copy of the Sunday Times on my lap. When a member of the government talks through their arse, national policy is formed.”

    thats possibly the most eloquent phrase in the history of literature…

    Shakespear may have come up with some good stuff, but what could possibly top “when my arse makes noises” as a literary device?

    July 19th, 2008 at 23:25

  6. MarkUK says:

    Thank God someone else realises that getting nicked is the deterrent and not the sentence. If you don’t catch them, it doesn’t make any odds what the sentence is.

    If someone offered you 1,000,000-1 on a three-legged horse it would still be a bad bet – it has to have some chance of winning.

    August 2nd, 2008 at 20:31

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