December 14th, 2011

A game of consequences

Posted in The Job - Comment, Videos by 200

The following video was posted on YouTube a few days ago and already has over 1.2 million hits. It has appeared on the national TV news today also amidst questions of whether the man who came to the aid of the ticket inspector was in the right or could be arrested.

A belligerent student is confronted on a train for not having a ticket. He uses foul and abusive language and refuses to leave the train when the inspector has it halted at a railway station.

Another passenger steps up and ass the inspector if he would like some help ejecting the lad from the train. He then picks him up out of his seat and throws him off the train, the lad immediately tries to get back in and is thrown off again.

News reports suggest that the man may get arrested for assault after the lad and his parents made a complaint to police.

The man who filmed the incident has said that the incident started five minutes before he decided to film it. Five  minutes in which the lad had plenty of opportunity to explain his position, buy a ticket, pay a fine or leave the train. It is claimed that he a) gave the ticket inspector the wrong ticket and that he did have one and b) that he had been given two single tickets for the same journey instead of one each way. If this is true, he had lots of opportunity to check which tickets he had bought when he bought them. He had opportunity to explain fully in a calm and collected manner without telling the ticket inspector to fuck off. He had lots of opportunities to leave the train at the request of someone lawfully authorised to request him to leave. He could have left when the ‘big man’ took him by the shoulder and told him to get off the train. He could have remained on the platform rather than trying to force his way back onto the train which then saw him being forcibly ejected again, which apparently is when he fell and grazed his cheek.

In other words, he is the author of his own destiny.

My hat is well and truly off the the ‘big man’. If more people were like him and regarded it as their civic duty to jump in and assist people having trouble with arseholes who think they can behave however they please, we would not have half the problems we have to put up with these days.

It is because people have gotten away with the ‘me, me me’ attitude and the couldn’t give a shit for anyone else that we have a generation or more of people who behave like this. Nobody is willing to draw a line in the sand and say ‘enough’ any more and there will be consequences.

He found out what the consequences were, perhaps he’ll think twice about travelling on trains without the correct tickets in future.

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  1. Barry says:

    I think the reason more people don’t step in to situations like this is the fear that even though they are doing the right thing they will be the one to end up in court. It is the culture we have now of everything being somebody else’s fault and everybody knows their rights but don’t realise they have to be responsible for their actions. Like the guy who was ejected the default setting seems to be “I’m going to sue” where what he should have said is “I’m sorry I acted like a tw@t and I got what I deserved”.

    December 15th, 2011 at 07:29

  2. Whinger says:

    If arsehole does pursue a complaint, don’t expect many more people to intervene EVER!

    December 15th, 2011 at 08:25

  3. theRagman says:

    Even if the ‘Bigman’ does get prosecuted, couldn’t he elect for trial by jury – what’s the chance that he’ll be convicted then?

    I see the scrote has even claimed he has diabetes – like that makes it all acceptable and his father has started claiming the ‘Bigman’ is a bully – he should concentrate his efforts on making sure his lad doesn’t act like a twat in public!

    December 15th, 2011 at 11:05

  4. MyLeftPenguin says:

    I’m torn on this one. On the one hand the little turd should not have tried to dodge paying his fare, because let’s face it that’s more than likely exactly what he did. Once caught he then should have just taken his punishment without getting all gobby. On the other hand, it’s really down to the ticket inspector to contact the police and get him arrested and hopefully fined hard enough so he won’t do it again. In my view the big bloke seemed a bit too keen to get involved and I wonder if he would have been so forthcoming had the scrote been similarly built instead of some gobby kid. I’m not saying don’t ever get involved, if he’d been swinging punches then by all means grab hold of him and persuade him otherwise but to escalate what was up until then a verbal encounter is going too far. I’m not that much bigger than the young lad and would not put myself in his situation, but had that bloke laid hands on me like that personally I would have felt perfectly justified in knocking the shit out of him, and that’s from someone who has intervened to help the police in the past and would do it again if needed.

    December 15th, 2011 at 13:41

  5. 200 says:


    don’t forget, the incident had been happening for 5 or 6 minutes before the filming even started so it’s a little disingenuous to say the big fella was too keen to get involved.

    It is perfectly lawful to eject someone from private property using sufficient force as is necessary and to assist the landowner or someone acting on his behalf in doing so, this is the only reason the police can throw you out of a pub because they are assisting the landowner. So it would be lawful to assist the inspector in removing the male from the train given he had refused to leave, so in those circumstances, had you decided to turn round and kick the shit out of the big fella, it would you who would be in the cells, my friend, not him.

    As to whether it would have been better for everyone to sit there letting the fuckwit have his way and upset the lives of everyone else on the train for the 30 – 60 mins (probably minimum) to get a BTP officer to somewhere that wasn’t the grand central station equivalent in Scotland, if they arrived at all, is a matter for debate, of course, personally, you weigh up the risks of taking forceful action and if you think you can win you take it, if you don’t you wait for someone else to sort it out.
    Which is I guess what the big fellar did, of course it would have been stupid to take on the kid if he’d been a 25 yr old boxer, but by the same token the lad probably wouldn’t have told a 25 yr old boxer to fuck off and refuse to get off the train.
    To use that ‘he wouldn’t have done it if he’d been 8 foot tall’ comment as some kind of insult against the man’s cohones is ridiculous. It’s not whose got the biggest balls, it;s who is right, and the big fella was right.

    December 15th, 2011 at 15:32

  6. Jimbob says:

    Even if the big fella has to be interviewed there’s certainly no need to arrest him and I would hope the CPS would decide that the public interest test isn’t met by prosecuting him.

    December 15th, 2011 at 16:22

  7. Ted says:

    “Even if the ‘Bigman’ does get prosecuted, couldn’t he elect for trial by jury – what’s the chance that he’ll be convicted then?”

    He can’t elect for trial by jury. It’s Scotland. If this went to court it would go to the district or Sheriff summary. There is no option for choosing a jury.

    December 15th, 2011 at 19:32

  8. Ted says:

    “Even if the big fella has to be interviewed there’s certainly no need to arrest him and I would hope the CPS would decide that the public interest test isn’t met by prosecuting him”

    It’s nothing to do with the CPS. It happened in Scotland.

    December 15th, 2011 at 19:33

  9. Blueknight says:

    ..if the ‘Bigman’ does get prosecuted, couldn’t he elect for trial by jury …. Probably not because Common Assault is not indictable, it has to go Mags Court

    200, I made exactly the same comment about assisting the train guard to eject trespasser on another blog. I think we are right.

    December 15th, 2011 at 20:51

  10. Plodnomore says:

    Scotrail could do a lot worse than state that Main is no longer to be allowed on their trains. They have the right in law to refuse passage to anyone they wish. Perhaps they could use this as a message to all future or potential ticket avoiders. At the same time give “The Big Man” a year’s free travel. Inb fact why don’t ALL the rail companies employ the same tactic?

    December 15th, 2011 at 21:32

  11. R/T says:

    plodnomore – perfect!

    December 16th, 2011 at 15:01

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