November 17th, 2011

Who commits the most crime, you decide

Posted in The Job - Comment by 200

I wonder how much crime is committed by our foreign guests and what proportion of it is attributable to people from other shores.

I was flicking through  the ‘most wanted’ section of our website and couldn’t fail to notice that around 70% of the names appeared to be of people from other countries. I don’t think our area has any greater proportion of foreign residents than anywhere else. We have nothing like the proportions of immigrants that some of the big city forces have, we probably have much less than many forces.

It is a totally unscientific approach, of course, without looking at the individuals concerned it is impossible to know whether they were born in the UK, are long term immigrants or short term ‘economic’ visitors, but the most wanted list appears to have been biased towards non British names for months. And whilst you tend to get to know the names of the local criminals working in the force for so many years, there was only one name I recognised.

I wonder if there are any statistics available and whether any conclusions drawn are being discussed in the right places or whether you just get labelled as a racist for suggesting such horrors.

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11 comments

  1. Ruralot says:

    Might it be that any local named offender (Wayne Slob from Crapsville estate for example) are well known and easily found and as such don’t hang about on the wanted list for very long. Piotr or Ivan ‘go home’ and as such can’t be found and then remain on the list hence appearing as if you have a foreign crime wave..?

    November 18th, 2011 at 06:33

  2. Ben says:

    @Ruralot: My first thought too. There might be a lot of them on the list because they spend longer on it.

    If the Wayne Crapfords are only on the list for a week on average, but Johnny F stays on it for a year, you need 52 Waynes to make it look even.

    And of course if you know where he lives he never makes it onto the list in the first place…

    November 18th, 2011 at 07:51

  3. jaded says:

    Shhhhh, not allowed to mention the bleedin obvious.The EU and open borders are gifts that never stop giving.Go and stand in the naughty corner.
    In completely unrelated news the interpreters that work for the Met are now the biggest buyers of luxury yachts at this years boat show.

    November 18th, 2011 at 08:27

  4. 200 says:

    Ruralot,

    no the point of the most wanted list is that it is the people who we don’t know where they are, otherwise there’s no point in asking anyone who views it if they know where these people are, we could just go and get them.

    But I take your point and as I said, this is completely unscientific.

    November 18th, 2011 at 11:11

  5. joe says:

    I recall having seen over the last few years bits and pieces here and there which indicate that the prison population contains a disproportionate percentage of foreign nationals and that crimes (at least in major cities) are disproportionately committed by foreign nationals. I’ve also seen stuff which indicates we’re not alone in this and certainly in Sweden and Norway immigrants are significantly over represented in crime.

    I suspect the answer is yes, a significant element is committed by “guests” particularly (and not surprisingly) those from cultures which have little in common with the mores of this country, but absent a willingness on the powers that be to investigate the matter properly (their default position seems to always be that immigration is an unqualified good thing) getting hard and fast figures rather than the issue being brushed under the carpet will be difficult.

    Even if it is the case that foreign criminals are causing a significant problem with the EU controlling the basis on which immigration from EU countries takes place, the Home Office apparently unwilling to do more that talk tough about non EU immigration and the courts stretching the Human Rights Act like a bungee cord to stop criminals and undesirables being kicked out what the heck can be done about it?

    November 18th, 2011 at 15:10

  6. Civ_In_The_City says:

    200, you`re right to point out that you can be labelled ‘racist’ for asking such questions. But that amazes me. In the police, where absolutely everything is managed via stats and ‘intelligence’ there will be plenty of evidence that some nationalities or other groups have certain ‘specialties’ when it comes to crime.

    Who would you put in the suggestion box for, say, crime involving non-existent Tarmac? Are the people putting toddlers out to beg in inner-city London mainly Aussies? Are the identify theft/fake credit card gangs and cannabis factory runners mostly Canadian?

    200: “Boss, I think I`ve found a pattern in that spate of metal thefts we`ve had round the manor these last 12 months.”

    Boss: “Really? Jolly good work 200, tell me all about it (before my promotion board interview next week).”

    200: “Well Sir, I analysed all the 150 metal theft calls we had the C&D and every witness reports hearing a accent.”

    Boss: “I perceive you are suggesting that all persons are metal thieves. That`s racism. I will respond robustly (in time for my promotion board next week), you are sacked 200, please hand over your entire life on the way out.”

    200: “Erm…”

    Boss: “I shun you, 200, you have let down every public servant in the country and undone the very fabric of civilised society.”

    200: “Erm…I`m on the rota for a short notice late shift tomorrow.”

    Boss: “We`ll say no more about it now, but I`m very disappointed in you.”

    I`m thinking no.

    November 18th, 2011 at 18:39

  7. Civ_In_The_City says:

    Oh. The forum gubbins edited out the word “NATIONALITY” in a couple of places there, you can figure out where though.

    November 18th, 2011 at 18:41

  8. joe says:

    Yes, CitC spot on.

    No one is going to come out and say people from Viet Nam are over represented in cannabis farming, West Africans tend to run scams, Eastern Europeans drive without insurance, Jamaicans and Turks seem to be into drug dealing, Roma tend to beg and steal, Travellers nick stuff, etc.etc.

    We have the PC strait jacket that insists we act as if an 80 year old Welsh methodist granny is as likely to blow up a bus or tube train as a Somali or Pakistani muslim youth.

    I hold an Irish passport; there was a time when I occasionally got some hassle coming into the UK as a result but I could understand why – they were discriminating but it was sensible to do so and if it stopped me being blown to buggery by some IRA goon it made sense to me.

    Don’t let facts get in the way of PC dogma however seems to be the current position of the powers that be.

    November 18th, 2011 at 20:46

  9. Blueknight says:

    The Crime Watch wanted photos tell you all you need to know about what is really going on….

    November 18th, 2011 at 21:29

  10. Steve at Thin Blue Line UK says:

    Hi 200,

    Did a fair bit of work on this for one of the reports on my bit.

    Throughout the years of Blair and co and since, the prison population has consistently comprised 13-14% of foreign nationals.
    At 85,000 presently inside, thats 11,050. At £40k p.a. per inmate that’s £442 million the tax payer contributes to keep offending nationals tucked up.

    That only deals with those dealt with by way of custodial sentencing. There will be numbers behind the alternative out-of-court disposal methods if the Home Office dare publish them.

    November 19th, 2011 at 09:27

  11. joe says:

    Steve

    Is it not also the case that the majority of crimes in London are committed by foreign nationals?

    November 19th, 2011 at 11:05

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