November 18th, 2010

You’ll be waiting ’til hell freezes over for an apology

Posted in The Job - Comment by 200

You’ll remember Sgt Mark Andrews, of  Wiltshire Police. He was the one shown on police CCTV manhandling a drunken recalcitrant female into a cell. He was jailed for six months for assault & freed pending his appeal.

The appeal concluded this week & the court have quashed the conviction. The judge in the case was satisfied that Sgt Andrews did not intend throw her into the cell & that her injuries were due to her drunkeness caused when she let go of the cell door.

Assistant Chief Constable Patrick Geenty was the spokesman back then & today. Remember he is of an ilk who, when an allegation is made against a senior officer or their own decisions, procedures & policies, hide behind a cloak which dictates that it is always ‘inappropriate to comment at this time’, but when the shit rolls downhill & stops at a front line officer will heap opprobrium to garner maximum ‘public confidence’. Geenty said the officer was a disgrace.

Now that the officer has been found innocent, Geenty has not withdrawn his original comment. Instead he continues his mealy-mouthed drivel in the hope of creaming and last crumb of ‘public confidence’. He basically says that even though the court has ruled otherwise, the officer is still guilty. Read his words on the Guardian website, they make me too sick to reproduce them here.

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  1. the_leander says:

    Will he get to keep his job/pension etc or is that all gone now?

    November 18th, 2010 at 23:39

  2. Oscar says:

    >He basically says that even though the court has ruled otherwise, the officer is still guilty

    Having read the article, I really don’t think he says that in such a blatant way. He never leaves the middle ground (i.e. saying “he was right”), but the amount of PC propaganda-crap in his words is painful.

    November 19th, 2010 at 02:33

  3. bruce says:

    I’m pleased to see your blog’s still running. At this time, Monday Books, Shijuro and IG all show the same error.

    And my opinion would be that the sergeant was overstressed by a difficult and demanding job, so where were management and HR?

    November 19th, 2010 at 10:20

  4. shijuronotgeorgedixon says:

    I dont mind copying it… here is the ‘spin’ in all its glory…

    He said that officers often faced hostility and violence. “Whilst these conditions can never excuse or condone any form of unacceptable behaviour by police officers or police staff, it is important to put this difficult job performed on behalf of the public and this isolated incident into context.”

    Geenty said that often when officers dealt with “non-compliant” prisoners – people suffering from the effects of alcohol or drugs – there was often a need to use reasonable and proportionate force.

    “Our staff have to make quick decisions there and then without the benefit of hindsight, but ultimately it is right that the judge of what is reasonable or unreasonable is for the courts and the decision today is that the force used was not unlawful,” Geenty said.

    He added: “Although this appeal hearing has concluded that no criminal offences had been committed, we are determined to learn any lessons that emerge from this case and we welcome the fact that the Wiltshire Police Authority has commenced its own independent review of our custody practices.”

    I will translate that…

    ‘right, I won’t be appologising because I dont have the guts and in line with that lack of cojones, I can’t hide behind a court outcome -so to sack him I will pass on to PSD…

    November 19th, 2010 at 11:20

  5. 200 says:


    of course he wouldn’t be allowed to say the officer is still guilty, but he chooses his words carefully in order to not have to eat his previous words.

    November 19th, 2010 at 11:36

  6. Civ_In_The_City says:

    The more serious charge, that of “drawing attention to his force in a manner likely to cause distress or embarrassment to his Chief Constable, thus putting promotion / QPM /pension at risk” has yet to arrive at the CPS. They will have a long wait. Meanwhile summary justice in the Wiltshire Kangaroo Court will (steam)roll right over Sgt. Andrews.

    “You can`t take the law into your own hands”, is what we keep being told by senior police officers, and then what do they do when the courts don`t come up with the answer they wanted?

    November 19th, 2010 at 18:33

  7. Oscar says:

    That’s unfair, it’s like baking the cake and eating it!

    But only eating the nice bits, leaving the mess for the rest!

    I am an unhappy customer.

    November 19th, 2010 at 18:35

  8. Ben says:

    An appeal to the Crown Court is a re-hearing, is it not? So this is a trial from the ground up.

    He was found “not guilty” not “Innocent”. There was (at least) reasonable doubt, so that’s not guilty. A reasonable person might still think he was still “probably guilty”, just not “certainly guilty”.

    You wouldn’t use the words “found innocent” if it was a regular MOP. (I might though :-) – since I am a MOP)

    For the same reason, an apology would imply that they are now satisfied, on the balance of probabilities, that he is innocent. The field between “Probably Innocent” and “certainly guilty” is wide, and somewhere on that field is where Sgt Andrews sits.

    My own opinion, based on news sources only, is that she sounds like a nightmare b*tch and he sounds like a very stressed individual. But no double standards please: Would “Very stressed individual and nightmare b*tch” be a defence for me? Obviously it SHOULD be…

    (That last is a joke, for the benefit of the humour disabled. And
    yes, I did read what the basis of the acquittal was, and it wasn’t that she was a Nightmare B*tch but that he didn’t intend to push her. That said, I doubt it would have gone the same way for a MOP.)

    Finally, I have a lot of sympathy for Sgt Andrews, and Geenty’s words must be sickening for everyone.

    But sympathy is one thing and justice is another. Sgt Andrews had a duty to his prisoners, and he discharged it badly. For that at least let us hold our sympathy at least somewhat in check.

    I don’t want him to be a policeman any more, but I do hope he gets another job soon.

    November 19th, 2010 at 22:50

  9. mrs mop says:

    Yet another travesty of justice where police misconduct is accepted
    allowed and excused by our ever incresing piss poor pathetic pointless justice system.

    The ACC is spot on, the asshole is a disgrace. The detainee sustained a serious head injury because of HIS actions.He should be
    dismissed asap.

    November 20th, 2010 at 19:41

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