October 30th, 2010

Right or wrong, you be the judge

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“It would be inappropriate to comment further at this time,” so says Supt. Mike Shaw of Merseyside Police following the current trial by Youtube incident which appeared in the news yesterday.

CCTV footage shows 31-year-old Darren Grace sitting on the grass in the park while officers with first aid kits try to offer assistance with a wound he appears to have. The footage shows the man shouting to someone off camera & then cuts to him on all fours while the officers are trying to grab hold of him, he can then be seen wrapping his arms around an officers thigh & pulling him to the ground. The officer whose leg he has hold of then apparently punches him several times, presumably in an effort to get him to release his leg. I think if someone appeared to be trying to hurt me, I’d punch him as many times as it would take to get him to release his grip on me, & would be justified in so doing.

The police have said the CCTV footage doesn’t tell the whole story & merely says that Grace turned violent. We are left wondering what happened whilst the CCTV cut away from the officers, who clearly don’t appear to be doing anything other than trying to help until things turned nasty, the officers are crouching beside the man, getting wound packs from the first aid kit. Why does the footage which appears to come from a CCTV camera but is branded with the Liverpool Echo logo, appear to miss some action. One has to ask whether something has been cut which may lessen the impact of the story? If it included damning evidence of police brutality, it would have been shown.

As per, the local police hierarchy, who are usually quick to damn officers before the conclusion of any investigation or trial, do little to support officers when the boot is on the other foot, hiding behind the ‘inappropriate to comment’ screen. Inappropriate, unless criticising officers would look good in the wider public arena.

You can check out the footage on the Liverpool Echo’s website, but remember, it is inappropriate to comment until Max Clifford has delivered his views on the subject – yes, news reports yesterday that Darren Grace has not made any complaint, refused to assist the police wit their investigation & approached Max Clifford to get as much cash as he can from the incident.

And yes, I don’t know the full circumstances, but neither does the Liverpool Echo, and yes, I am biased.

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  1. boy on a bike says:

    Junior was hit by a car a few years ago – it snapped his leg and he was slashed in numerous places from broken glass etc.

    He went completely barking psycho and had to be held down by three adults whilst they tried to treat him. Pain, blood, violence and shock can do funny things to people.

    As to the video – who is the shouty guy in the tracksuit in the background? Note that he makes punching motions at one point.

    As for Darren Grace holding the officers leg, he might have been biting him as well near the nether regions. I’d be shooting him in the eyeball with a taser if he did that to me. And why does Mr Grace appear to have his pants half off when the officers arrive?

    October 30th, 2010 at 23:58

  2. Ben says:

    Surely something wrong here…

    I would be a lot happier if the police had a blanket policy of releasing all the information all of the time… Otherwise it looks like special pleading when they go all “oh, the papers haven’t told the whole story”… Like the ever do?

    “I’d be shooting him in the eyeball with a taser if he did that to me”

    @ boy on a bike:
    Tazer someone in the eye and you will be on manslaughter charges.

    October 31st, 2010 at 00:27

  3. Fastbecomingcynical says:

    Ben……obviously never been bitten by a drunk/drugged bloke who’s trying to avoid arrest! Oh and being tazered in the eye is no doubt serious (and undoubtedly extremely painful) it doesn’t necessarily irreprably damage eye sight let alone kill someone

    October 31st, 2010 at 08:43

  4. Civ_In_The_City says:

    He`s already got a wound when they find him, a clout round the head wouldn`t bother him much.

    Boy on a Bike makes an excellent point. Darren Grace is also big bugger, looked drunk/drugged and (somewhere in the missing footage) decided he wasn`t going to sit nicely while good people tried to patch him up.

    Police officers KNOW from experience that when someone starts to kick off, especially when they aren`t in any condition to be reasoned with, that you have to nip it in the bud quick.

    Grace could have been carrying a knife or screwdriver, he could have picked up half a brick or stick off a tree. And even though later on he would have regretted stabbing a WPC through the eyeball and giving her brain damage, it would be a bit late for ‘sorry’.

    As for tracksuit man circling the scene as referee / umpire / judge / jury / commentator, now there is someone who would have benefited from a Taser to the goolies.

    October 31st, 2010 at 11:26

  5. boy on a bike says:

    Ben – depends on which eye you’re talking about.

    October 31st, 2010 at 12:27

  6. shijuro says:

    not if he doesn’t die ben…


    stick you your paper round if I were you…

    October 31st, 2010 at 13:23

  7. simon says:

    “”Ben – depends on which eye you’re talking about.”"

    Jap’s eye ;-)

    October 31st, 2010 at 14:19

  8. Boy on a bike says:

    Simon – spot on.

    If they have CCTV of the cops treating him, do they also have CCTV of the stabbing and what led up to it ? How was this bloke behaving pre-stabbing?

    November 2nd, 2010 at 07:11

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