August 16th, 2010

There goes my baby

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News today that will surprise nobody in the police, in the UK at least.

Officers from Greater├é┬áManchester├é┬áhad to watch├é┬áthieves├é┬áride off on 3 motorbikes worth ├é┬ú20,000 because they were not allowed to pursue them as the├é┬áthieves├é┬ádidn’t have crash helmets on.

Take a look at the news clip on the BBC website to see the owner’s dismay. Clearly the reason for the policy is in case the riders come off & hurt or kill themselves, obviously, this will be the fault of the police & everyone will be calling for officers to be suspended, prosecuted & sacked, unless it is their bike, apparently.

The news story glosses over the fact that actually, it doesn’t have much to do with the thieves riding off into the sunset on their ill-gotten goodies without safety equipment, the chances are that even if they did have helmets & leathers, the officers would have been told not to pursue.

The daily Mail readers shouldn’t be surprised, since it is their actions over recent times which have caused bosses to create policies which won;t have their asses on the line.

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  1. Civ_In_The_City says:

    The police have gone from being community cohesion coordinators to a new branch of the Health and Safety Executive. Everywhere you looks it`s all about ‘feeling safe and being safe’. Even keeping us all safe from things other than criminals and criminality. What is going on?

    August 17th, 2010 at 11:15

  2. shijuro says:

    Its a deeper problem than that i suspect…

    1. SMT don’t like being made to look bad… if they can create a policy to hide poor decision making to hide behind- they will.
    2. SMT/PSD will do nothing (contrary to popular opinion) will not support or help you if it goes wrong in a pursuit.

    3. Officers are beginning to understand (at long last) their careers and very freedom is ON THE LINE each time they have ANYTHING to do with pursuits or other ‘risky’ activities…

    The public/media outcry over Police involvement in pursuits or other risky stuff is so intense, that a lot of officers I know and work with just won’t put themselves in danger in pursuits -full stop.

    When you see what happens to officers that fall foul of this – suspension, sackings, imprisonment… it’s a wonder we will leave the station.

    I mean, if you (Mr/Mrs MOP) were EXPECTED to do an activity that was risky and should it go wrong, you might go to prison for… whould you rush to do it?

    The Fed highlighted a MASSIVE drop in officers signing up for public order training, due in no small part to the G20…

    I have stopped mine, despite pressure from above…

    I WONT do it anymore…

    The public GOT WHAT THEY WANTED HERE, now they dont like it?

    Not my problem.

    August 17th, 2010 at 11:29

  3. Ted says:

    You could catch 50 car thieves but it wouldn’t help you if anything happened the next time and you weren’t following policy.

    Same goes for emergency response driving in general or cutting corners anywhere else. Nobody thanks you for getting there in 5 minutes rather than 5 minutes 30 seconds. The only calls I went flat out for were cops needing assistance. I’m glad I’m now out the job without ever crashing a panda or appearing at court as the accused.

    August 17th, 2010 at 17:00

  4. Ambulance Amateur says:

    You should be allowed to make reasonable pursuit. OK, that’s a bit open to interpretation, but if someone is obviously acting in an illegal manner and, in attempting to escape, comes to grief, then so be it. This is if the officers were acting in a “reasonable” way.

    Obviously the definition of “reasonable” would have to be agreed, but I do not see this as impossible.

    August 18th, 2010 at 00:00

  5. SHIJURO says:

    I watched the US fly on the wall cop show ‘Cops’ the other night…

    There was a fail to stop pursuit involving a bike and he crashed and nearly died…

    A sgt turned up and listened to the officers, the TOOK OVER the scene and released them!

    His comments?

    ‘Well this is what happens when people fail to stop for Police, it ends up in tragedy…’

    End of… because in the States, the responsibilty for the consequences of action lie with the decision maker, NOT the officers trying to PREVENT it!


    The officer would have been taken home and suspended. PSD would have referred to IPCC and he would be likely to be sacked and/or go to prison.

    And you wonder why Police here are reluctant to pursue?

    August 18th, 2010 at 09:01

  6. War Machine says:

    Spot on, Shijuro. Out here there’s the free will argument, to whit, the perpetrator committed the crime of their own free will and if they run, the consequences are their own responsibility.

    August 18th, 2010 at 14:52

  7. Tony F says:

    If some twat stole my bike, I would expect the police to chase him, and hopefully, if he is killed, then it would be well worth it.

    August 18th, 2010 at 19:41

  8. shijuro says:

    unfortunately we (my force) does not pursue motorbikes under ANY circumstances…

    Remember the two RPU lads that did?

    They followed for about 10-seconds… the bike zipped off into the sunset and they called it as ‘bandit lost’…

    about an hour later the biker went into a tree…

    As there had been Police involvement, PSD, IPCC suspention from driving etc…

    Would you pursue under those circs?

    August 19th, 2010 at 12:11

  9. Plodnomore says:

    Think about the term “outlaw”. Any person who deliberately carried out an action which was outside the law, they then put themselves outside the law and any action taken against them was legal. I know we’ve moved on a bit from medieaval times but the basic premise should still be there. No one forced these thieves to take the motorbikes. They made a conscious decision to steal them and ride them away (with no safety helmets). If any pursuit resulted in them injuring or killing themselves then that is down to them. They could always have stopped as soon as they realised the Police were after them. Sadly, with the cynical manipulations of the Human Rights Act by single issue focus groups and edible sandal tree huggers, this responsibility has evolved on those trying to stop such crimes. If they had been pursued and all crashed and died, then that would a) save the cost of a trial and b) possibly warn others of the possible consquences of such actions. Everyone whinges on abour rights, but no one seems to talk about responsibilities.

    August 21st, 2010 at 20:13

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