December 13th, 2009

Justice seen, Justice done?

Posted in The Job - General by 200

You may remember me  mentioning back in July about the case of a woman who told a group of youths to be quiet. She was subsequently followed to a restaurant where one of the youths threw bleach over her.

Well the case has come to trial during which more details have emerged.

Leeds Crown Court has heard that the 16-year-old, who isn’t being named, has admitted assault but denies a charge of GBH with intent.

Annette Warden was watching Harry Potter at a local cinema when she had cause to ask a group nearby to be quiet.

When the film finished the family walked to a nearby restaurant. A car drove past them & the defendant shouted at her “fucking slag”.

The 16-year-old asked his mates to stop at a garage claiming he wanted to buy eggs to throw at her, but they had sold out so he bought a bottle of Domestos.

They then drove to the restaurant where Mrs Warden was sitting at a table. The youth approached her from behind a poured bleach over her head, he then ran off. Her husband gave chase & managed to get the number of the car they fled in.

Mrs Warden was lucky not to suffer serious injury.

So, place your bets. Guilty or not guilty, & if guilty, what will the sentence be…….you decide!

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  1. copper bottom says:

    200 hours community sentence or
    suspended sentence…

    i will give 2:1…

    December 13th, 2009 at 11:01

  2. PC A Hunn says:

    £200 fine. 100 hours unpaid work. 6 months communtity sentence with electronic monitoring curfew 7am to 7pm.

    Sec.18 dropped at CC. Plead to a Sec.20 or even a 47.

    December 13th, 2009 at 12:39

  3. Tony F says:

    I am sure he will show bundles of ‘remorse’ and that he was spanked as a child etc etc..

    He will probably not get much more than a caution.

    Should be hung.

    December 13th, 2009 at 15:21

  4. rafanon says:

    Guilty but he was too young to know what he was doing (said tongue firmly in cheek)

    A “team building” excursion to the south of France will be his punishment instead of 10 years hard labour.

    December 13th, 2009 at 16:02

  5. Crime Analyst (Steve - Ex West Mids) says:

    Total Prison Population at 27th November 84,647
    Useable Operational Prison Capacity 85,673
    Number under Home Detention Curfew supervision 2,527

    When the Judge taps into his computer (Hah hah!) and sees there are only 1026 prison places available, it wouldn’t surprise me if gives the police and CPS a bollocking for bringing the case to court and failing to deal with it by way of cautioning the little scrote.

    When a shit like this clearly demonstrates mens rea AND actus reus by driving to a garage, buying bleach, then going to the restaurant with the knowledge and intent he might cause injury, its farcical that he wont get dealt with as if he had completed the S18. It wouldn’t suprise me if he says at trial that it was all innocent, that he went to the restaurant to clean the shit house! Hint of cynicism creeping in there… apologies 200.

    I wouldn’t give odds against a CSO, but I can dream that he might actually get a decent custodial.

    December 13th, 2009 at 16:54

  6. bill says:

    Spot on, rafanon.

    Only, you forgot to add “swimming with Dolphins”

    December 13th, 2009 at 17:53

  7. Anon (Not Melv though) says:

    Jury is out. Could not come to a 10-2 majority on Friday. Back on Monday when hopefully they will come to a decision otherwise it will be a retrial.
    The only issue in question is whether he realised the damage that could be caused by bleach. He has admitted the assault but denying intent to cause GBH.

    December 13th, 2009 at 18:26

  8. Gutsy Kid says:

    Should be hung.
    Tony F.

    Yes, because that stops things like this happening :S

    December 13th, 2009 at 19:16

  9. Miss Marple says:

    Well, firstly, thanks Steve, for pointing me in the direction of this blog. You have given me a lot to think about on the one I started a couple of weeks ago.

    Anyway, to bleach boy. Mmm let me see. 6 years hard labour? Return the compliment and let the Judge pour a bottle of Domestos over his head, hoping the little bastard swallows a couple of pints, the birch? Cat o nine tails? Youth detention, no play station, no menu etc? Stocks? No I’m being silly now, clearly he will get a defence lawyer who wants to do Defendant work to make a difference (aka twat) and he/she’ll do a job on the jury with the result he is likely to get a fine (which of course he’ll not be able to pay) and a few hours community service – which we all know is a waste of time.

    And so the scrote is back into society to continue where he left off – who knows, he could be outside my house later tonight!

    December 13th, 2009 at 19:27

  10. Oi says:

    I blame the garage myself!
    Fancy not stocking eggs.

    December 13th, 2009 at 19:37

  11. Pinkstone says:

    Common Assault by bleaching.

    Joking aside, I’m with PC Hunn on this one. Probably some plea bargaining. I can hear rumours of an ABH.

    December 13th, 2009 at 19:39

  12. Tony F says:

    Sure you don’t get a repeat offence. What he did was cold blooded and intentional.

    December 13th, 2009 at 20:39

  13. Civ_In_The_City says:

    I don`t think it`s just about what he did. I mean, if he was holding an open bottle of bleach and the woman called HIM a really rude name, and he just responded on the spot by lashing out, meaning to slap her and forgetting that he had bleach in his hand.

    But that isn`t what he did. He had numerous opportunities to stop and think about what he was going to do, and to stop it. He had lots of time to calm down a bit and realise he was over-reacting a tad. He had lots of mates around him telling him not to do what he was about to do.

    But he still did it. He needs to be off the streets for a long time.

    December 13th, 2009 at 21:01

  14. anon (alright, it could be Melv) says:

    When cocktails of sickness and pure evil produce such results, the first priority of the courts should be safeguarding future members of the public. All too often, our lower courts fail us miserably in that duty.

    The second failing of our lower courts is reluctance to impose a severe but fitting punishment upon the evil. To the sole benefit of their client (and at a cost to everyone else) defence lawyers are not rigorously challenged when they seek to attach disproportionate blame to the sickness.

    December 13th, 2009 at 21:13

  15. MarkUK says:

    ABH I reckon. Fortunately the victim was “not seriously injured” so GBH with or without will be out of the question. If Tamworths doing loop-the-loop are seen at 10 o’clock high, then it may be ABH with intent.

    Six months suspended or 120 hours Community Service.

    December 13th, 2009 at 22:16

  16. copper bottom says:

    cocktails of sickness and pure evil?

    blimey… Hammer would have been proud of that one…

    December 13th, 2009 at 22:22

  17. Gutsy Kid says:

    I really don’t understand why people want “harsh” sentences for people. They don’t actually reduce crime, and you end up with the massive problems America is currently facing because of their prison population overload.

    December 13th, 2009 at 23:11

  18. john says:

    I think (sometimes) that the sentence will probably never happen. If it does it will be for assault…it doesn’t sound as if the jury is going to run with gbh. Probably 100 hours a 200 quid fine and 30 quid to the victim.
    Mind you, the use of chemical weapons is banned under a geneva convention…….

    December 14th, 2009 at 00:15

  19. the_leander says:

    Guilty verdict, though probably of a lesser offence.

    I was thinking a suspended sentence, not sure if community service will be imposed, a pathetic fine is pretty much a given.

    I’d like to think that he was put into some kind of rehabilitation scheme, but at 16 I wonder if the damage isn’t already permanent in this persons case.

    December 14th, 2009 at 05:31

  20. Sven says:

    “I really don’t understand why people want “harsh” sentences for people. They don’t actually reduce crime, and you end up with the massive problems America is currently facing because of their prison population overload.”

    The death penalty seems to be keeping crime at a low level in e.g. Singapore.

    Or, just maybe, punishment and crime interactions can’t be sensibly measured with stupid generalisations about other countries?

    I don’t want a particularly harsh sentence for the little shit. I want to see a proportionate one carried out, instead of some little twat getting his bad attitude re-inforced again because there was no consequence to his bad actions.

    December 14th, 2009 at 12:26

  21. Kynon says:

    Looks like he’s been found guilty of attempted GBH:

    December 14th, 2009 at 13:47

  22. john says:

    The jury has done their job: Now we can wait for the bench to show leniency towards a deprived teenager.
    I do hope he recycled the bottle.

    December 14th, 2009 at 14:07

  23. Reactivly Proactive says:

    18 month supervision order and £60 costs is my guess. Who would have thought it was so cheap to hold a trial!

    December 15th, 2009 at 12:31

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