October 22nd, 2009

Popcorn at the ready

Posted in The Job - General by 200

Well I won’t be watching Question Time tonight, you know the one, with BNP leader Nick Griffin.

I won’t be watching it not because I want to make some kind of protest but because I’m off out for the evening, hopefully having some fun.

I do make a point of watching Question Time, I like to be fairly well up on current affairs & I love seeing politicians squirm, so I shall watch it  another day. It should be interesting. I’ve not seen any news today but will be interested to see if the free speech Nazis manage to create trouble for the BBC in their hypocritic attempts  promote truth, freedom & the British way but only on their terms.

I do get fed up with all the people & politicians spouting off about banning their appearance on the BBC, particularly Peter Hain who threatens to bring the full force of the law against the BBC if they allow Griffin a platform. Firstly, if he wants to talk about using the law to promote decency & good order I’ll hear his list of politicians who should be prosecuted for fraud & secondly, either the BNP is a lawful organisation or it isn’t & since his party which has a creative history of banning things it doesn’t think the people are grown up enough to deal with, they haven’t banned it, yet, so until they do, it should have the same opportunities as any other lawful group.

I’m big enough, ugly enough & grown up enough to make my own mind up, I don’t need a group who think their views trump all others telling me what I can or can’t listen to.

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  1. Gutsy Kid says:

    As I understand it the BNP aren’t currently a legitimate party because their constitution disallows people of ethnic origins from joining. So yes, currently they are not a legitimately elected party (and for the next two and a half months until they vote to change their charter).

    But in any case we really do need to discuss these things, as extremists never fit in to the mainstreams by definition – they will fade out once people realise just how fascist and racist they are.

    October 22nd, 2009 at 19:17

  2. Civ_In_The_City says:

    Quite right 200. I don`t expect for one minute to like anything Nick Griffin has to say, but I know he would lay down his life to protect my right to hear him out and make up my own mind.

    Nah, that bollocks.

    But I am really fed up with people telling what I can or can`t do, what I should or shouldn`t believe, how I should feel and think. Global warming, racism, drink two litres of water a day.

    I`ll watch Question Time tonight just to annoy them all.

    October 22nd, 2009 at 19:21

  3. Fee says:

    While I’d happily watch the man drown in his own vitriol, he still has the right to speak. I find his views and opinions utterly abhorrent, but we either have free speech or we don’t. It’s that simple. Plus, by letting even more people see what an arse he really is, maybe the numbers voting for him will go back down? I can only hope …

    October 22nd, 2009 at 20:57

  4. Blueknight says:

    1. If you don’t like the BNP, don’t vote for them.
    2. If you don’t like the BNP, don’t vote for any Party that has policies which encourage or persuade anyone else to vote BNP

    1. So simple it does not need an explanation!
    2. So simple it does not need an explanation?

    October 22nd, 2009 at 21:07

  5. bill says:

    Absolutely, 200.

    October 22nd, 2009 at 22:17

  6. MarkUK says:

    It almost goes without saying that I detest the British Nazi, sorry, National Party and all it stands for.

    However, freedom of speech isn’t divisible. Either everyone has it or no one has it. Provided Griffiths stays within the law, he’s entitled, as leader of a party with two MEPs, to get the occasional outing on Question Time. Even then, the law may be stifling some political debate, and there’s one of the sources of the BNP’s support.

    Freedom of speech implies freedom to offend. If we were only free to say nice things, that’s not freedom.

    I hope he gets buried by the other panellists. They should beware, though. Griffiths has had plenty of experience in weaseling his way around questions.

    Peter Hain’s view that the BNP is illegal or whatever is somewhat far-fetched. As the BBC sstated, if there was an election tomorrow, the BNP could stand. Yes, they will have to change their constitution if they don’t want to be prosecuted, but they are not a proscribed party. Can we actually proscribe a party and still claim to be a democracy?

    Let the BNP be condemned from the mouths of its own members.

    October 22nd, 2009 at 22:36

  7. copper bottom says:

    Well speaking as an ‘institutional racist’ and a person now allowed to be a member of the BNP (I can be a member of Sinn Féin, Respect Coalition, Democratic Unionist Party, England First Party and Free England Party) I, of course, can have no opinion…

    However ;-)

    I thought ol’Nick showed what he was really about and – if they ever did get into power- it may be the last vote you ever got…

    The nasty thing is – some of the things he was saying do make sense- like English people not being able to put English down on any ‘ethnic forms’ – and that’s the most insidious thing about them…

    Well… I hope it goes bad for them at the next election- but the facts of the matter are -the government’s bad management of immigration and related issues- have helped the BNP get where they have now…


    October 23rd, 2009 at 00:03

  8. copper bottom says:

    when I saw a woman complaining that Jacko had used the phrase ‘afro-car’ to desc her ‘visible’ race… I smiled- hew-mons have a long way to go…

    it is only when we get past the ‘words’ and focus on the actions- that hew-mons will make any progress as a species.

    October 23rd, 2009 at 13:35

  9. Civ_In_The_City says:

    I watched it. I saw a bloke that had a lot of old quotes aimed at him and who wasn`t given much time to explain, deny, defend or confirm most of them. I saw a lot of people queueing up to have a pop, it was like bear-baiting or school yards bullies lining up to slap the weakest kid.

    I certainly did not see him condemn himself from his own mouth with anything he specifically said on the show.

    There were several things he said that were very true but these got lost in the feeding frenzy.

    Then he was criticised for saying he`d changed his mind about the Holocaust. It wasn`t good enough that he now thought it was a real event, he was slagged off for not believing it for the right reasons and not believing it strongly enough.

    He was even ripped into for daring to change his mind at all!

    Erm, 10 pence tax rate? Ghurkas? Hello!

    It`s precisely because the main parties pick a point of view and stick with it despite compelling evidence that their views are completely wrong that got the BNP where they are.

    You don`t have to respect the view and opinions but much of the hostility was directed at the man, I didn`t think this demonstrated the heightened sense of fairness and civility that the others were trying to claim as their own.

    If English people aren`t allowed to put “English” on forms, is this because the English aren`t seen as a distinct ethnic group – because we are originally descended from various other ethnicities? If this is so how many other nationalities, by the same test, can claim pure ethnicity and so earn them their own tickbox?

    Like most people I`ve heard about Nick Griffin, and read lots of his quotes in the papers. What I SAW was another politician who just wasn`t as skilled and experienced at talking without saying anything, bullshitting and spin that other politicians, like Jack Straw, have perfected.

    The Iraq war based on outright lies, didn`t have the backing of the electorate, has cost millions of our tax pounds and hundreds of our soldiers lives and was led by Tony Blair (whose wife is a Human Rights lawyer!) and who has now been replaced by an unelected incompetent who has driven our economy into a hole that will take a generation to dig itself out of. When someone pointed out that the evidence for war was flawed he was soon after found dead in the woods
    in circumstances that have not been fully explained by the official ‘suicide’ verdict.

    Nick griffin will never get elected into a position of significant power. But then, we have a whole team of people who are much worse than Nick Griffin already in place.

    October 23rd, 2009 at 19:33

  10. Amy says:

    It is unfortunate that there are people with the same views as Griffin. They should not be allowed to be in politics.

    October 23rd, 2009 at 22:15

  11. 200 says:

    I’ve not watched it yet, will try & catch it on iPlayer over the next day or two. From the clips it certainly didn;t look like any Question Time I’ve seen.

    October 23rd, 2009 at 22:28

  12. Tony F says:

    “It is unfortunate that there are people with the same views as Griffin. They should not be allowed to be in politics.”

    In a democracy, ANYONE can enter politics. Even criminals (this may be a mandatory requirement now). We have the most democratic democracy anywhere (Well almost).Griffin is an arse, but, he has (as far as I know) not done anything illegal. Unsavoury, yes. Non PC, yes. Are people likely to vote for him or his thugs? Yes, of course they are. It is an unfortunate thing with our form of democracy, and to be honest, I cannot think of a better workable way, we can only vote for one group of thieves, sorry politicians, at a time. I think perhaps it would be better if we could either, vote against or vote for ‘none’ and that it would count. A bit like a spoiled ballot but with some weight to tell our ‘leaders’ that we think that they are a bunch of thieving criminals.

    I think that N.S.Norway had a good idea about votes and voting. It went a bit like this: Everyone who had paid into society had one vote. Ex service men\police\fire\DRs Nurses etc had two or more votes depending on the time of service given. So the more you put into society, the more say you have in it’s running. It has a lot going for it. For one thing it would not be wishy washy.

    October 24th, 2009 at 20:03

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