September 21st, 2009

Another comparison

Posted in The Job - Comment, Videos by 200

Here’s a clip from a US News station about the fatal shooting of someone who posed a major threat to officers having driven at one officer & hit him, another officer shot & killed the driver as the ‘felon’ drove at him also.

Note how the police come straight out & explain what happened & why the officer shot the guy, rather than refusing to comment, as would be thew case in the UK. I Guarantee that it doesn’t take them 16 months to investigate the incident & when they announce the result I bet they say something along the lines of “the officer was justified in his use of lethal force” rather than a more mealy-mouthed “Following the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) investigation into the shooting of Mark Saunders, I have reviewed the evidence and concluded that there is insufficient evidence to charge any officer in relation to these sad events,” which doesn’t exactly say the same thing, does it?

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  1. copper bottom says:

    no it does not… and that difference is at the kernel of what is wrong in this rather odd country…

    In other countries- the US in particular- its the criminal that is the driving force (no pun) behind the officers and subsequent investigation…

    here- its the Police.

    e.g. man drives away from the Police on a motorbike- crashes- and dies.

    in the US – nothing happens as the criminal made the decision to evade Police.
    here (as seen in GMP) the officers end up facing ‘causing death by dangerous driving’.

    e.g. man uses pistol to shoot at Police (hitting one in the chest) -shoot at nearby buildings- containing children/adults etc… Police shoot him dead.

    in the US – as per your clip- support from Snr Staff- saying ‘OUR officer was justified -he faced a deadly threat’

    in the UK- the Chief will say NOTHING in support- and say IPCC dealing etc- file to CPS and officers facing charges for MURDER! ATT.MURDER or CONS TO COMMIT MURDER!!!


    well- here Snr officers are only really concerned about how they look to the media and pressure groups with the home offices’ ear… like Liberty.

    they DONT care if an officer goes to prison for risking his/her life to protect ours…

    When two Met officers were put on trial for murder/manslaughter for shooting an idiot that was carrying a chair leg in a bag described as a sawn off shotgun by a number of witness’ – a number the Met Firearms team handed their weapons in.

    sooner or later – a Police officer will be jailed for shooting a person presenting a deadly threat- and you can expect to have NO firearms cover for the country.

    Why even become a firearms officer?

    hard training, no extra pay, draw and use weapon- suspended for best part of a year- sometimes longer- waiting to see if you have a job or will be come the new best friend of the daddy of d-wing?

    no thanks. not in this country.

    September 22nd, 2009 at 09:28

  2. Reactivly Proactive says:

    In this country we wouldn’t need to shoot the driver. He is unlikely to drive at the officer in the first place because the sentance he faces for ‘burglarizing’ is almost non-existant. Maybe thats the grand plan – pathetic sentences in the name of health and safety!

    September 22nd, 2009 at 11:13

  3. copper bottom says:

    oh- my mate that was run over the other day would find that a comfort…

    and it was a burglar.

    Killing/injuring a copper means nothing in this country.

    September 22nd, 2009 at 17:01

  4. Tony F says:

    It really doesn’t help when or so called leaders are proven criminals. It does tend to send out the message to the thickies, if they can do it so can I.

    Such groups as ‘Liberty’ and say, the BNP, should be collected up and put on a small island somewhere. Oh and any one who believes that the ‘Human’ rights act is a good idea. I think some of them may have their paradigms re aligned in a customer focussed way….

    September 22nd, 2009 at 20:21

  5. pchawkeye says:

    I remember a senior officer in this country, on television after a shooting incident, say quite clearly and he meant it, ” If a person points a gun, be it real or imitation, at one of my officers, he must expect to be shot.”

    I wonder if this fine officer is still in the job.

    September 22nd, 2009 at 20:32

  6. copper bottom says:

    I have nothing against Liberty- I think its a worthy cause- I would have more time for them if they went to COUNTRIES THAT NEEDED THEM!!!

    They are like those old people that campaign against mobile phone masts… you know… they are retired and have lots of time on their hands and are looking for a reason to exist…

    So they complain about mobile phone masts- no doubt using mobiles to do so…

    Liberty – need to go to Iran or China or anywhere really…

    September 22nd, 2009 at 21:06

  7. B. Nutt says:

    Someone please explain why I can’t access coppersblog anymore? What’s going on?

    September 22nd, 2009 at 21:10

  8. rafanon says:

    I agree with all sentiment regarding police justifyably shooting someone. In the military however, our ROE (rules of engagement) prevent us from shooting the car driver as we can jump out of the way (we’re all very fast with cat-like reflexes apparently) as it is not an immediate threat to life. We also can’t take someone out for damaging buildings unless we know for absolute sure that there is a threat to human life, just assuming there may be a child in a school is not good enough and we’d be hung out to dry.

    September 23rd, 2009 at 13:50

  9. copper bottom says:

    this chap shot a copper in the chest- only his armor saved him…

    ROE for the army would allow you to open fire on him.

    September 23rd, 2009 at 21:00

  10. rafanon says:

    I know but the car one wouldn’t.

    September 24th, 2009 at 11:17

  11. copper bottom says:

    i know mate- and its wrong… a car is as deadly as a rifle… just harder to hide under your coat…

    September 25th, 2009 at 12:33

  12. Geeoffrey says:

    And notice the absolute confidence with which the Phoenix police force explains what happened, with a sergeant as the spokesman.

    September 28th, 2009 at 03:13

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