September 11th, 2009

Some people just have to bend over & speach comes out

This post is dedicated to the extra visitors this week to my blog from the folks at the Quarter-to-three Forums who, for reasons best known to themselves are currently discussing a case from 2007 where sensational – and incorrect – journalism reported two PCSOs standing by while a young boy drowned. I blogged about it at the time here & here.

Whilst, like most forums, some people do talk sense, a lot of folk over there sure have refined the art of talking out of their arses.

I was reminded of their post watching Traffic Cops tonight when a young man who couldn’t swim fell into a Manchester canal with tens of people nearby, several police officers arrived, nobody dived in to search for the man who had gone under because it was deemed too dangerous. The brigade attended, two fire officers located the man, pulled him out but he couldn’t be revived.

I don’t recall seeing a public furore in the press about all the members of the public & police who ‘watched a boy drown’.

Anyway, to the folks at Quarter to Three, I’d just like to point out the following….

Nanny dies while trying to save drowning boy

Woman dies after trying to save drowning child from lake in N.L.

Family mourns hero dad Jose Luis Olivares who drowned trying to save daughter from dangerous waves

Plainsboro woman drowns trying to save dog from frozen pond

Mother and son died trying to save drowning daughter

3 die trying to save drowning girl at Fort Worth park

BROTHER AND SISTER DROWN.; She Is Lost While Trying to Save Him

Woman dies while trying to rescue drowning boy

Man Drowns Trying to Save Daughter in Muskoka

Hero father drowns trying to save girl after council removes life-saving equipment to thwart vandals

Man, 19, Drowns Trying To Save Boy

Father drowns while trying to save sons in Ras Al Khaimah

Local Lawyer Dies in Attempt to Save Drowning Children

2 rescuers drown trying to save 4 beachgoers off Ilocos Norte

St. Charles man drowns trying to save children

Man dies trying to save drowning cousin

Man Dies Trying to Save Fiance’s Drowning Child

Father dies trying to save his teenage sons in surf

Man Dies After Saving Wife And Daughter From Drowning At Queens Beach

Woman drowns trying to save son in Miyazaki

Priest’s tragic attempt to save a life ‘heroic’

Most of the above stories are where people were seen in difficulty, not when they’d been probably dead for between 10 & 30 minutes. I’m sure there are hundreds or possibly thousands of other cases.

To the armchair quarterbacks at Quarter-to-three, sometimes it;s better to keep your mouth closed & appear stupid than to open it & remove all doubt.

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4 comments

  1. MPS Probie says:

    Interesting post – and what a cesspit of a forum you’ve tricked me into reading!

    I think the following post from that thread sums up the majority of it for me:

    http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1883717&postcount=110

    September 12th, 2009 at 03:05

  2. Paul says:

    Whilst I agree that this stuff is usually OTT for a “good” story – and the Police “Service” are as bad at spin (or as we should perhaps call it “lies” these days) as anyone sadly these days – there is a point here to be made about H&S regs. The Thames Valley shooting is a better example.

    I don’t think this is the fault of your average cop though ; more a system designed to cover the backsides of senior management and the bureaucracy.

    It’s often insane too. Inspector Gadget’s book describes how H&S wouldn’t let him stand on a chair to change a clock (OTOMH) but had no problem with him being on his own with a group of violent drunks (when the H&S team has gone home).

    September 12th, 2009 at 08:06

  3. Steve (Former DC with West Mids) says:

    The quality of that forum, its posts and moderators says it all. The internet is littered with sites that couldn’t care less about the bile that spews forth from their pages. Site hits and traffic are their priority, with no regard or interest for the content being informed or factual.

    200. Your point seems the most valid. “Most of the above stories are where people were seen in difficulty, not when they’d been probably dead for between 10 & 30 minutes”.

    That is exactly the point about this story. Regardless of occupation, most able bodied people with a heart in their chest would not ignore the sight of a struggling child in the water. When arriving on the scene and other adults tell you it occurred 10 – 30 minutes previously, you are not suddenly endowed with magical powers that can restore life where all hope has gone assuming you could miraculously locate a child where others have failed.

    The police PCSO or regular officers have always been easy meat for tabloid headlines. Coppers doing their job well as most do 365 days a year, doesn’t make good headline fodder. And if they can’t find a salacious storyline, they minimize factual content to create one, then juice it up with ill informed forum contributions, even, as in this instance, rehashing old news items to do so.

    Weak people with weak minds pick easy and frequently misinformed routes in their need to be heard. Your final quote sums it all up.

    September 12th, 2009 at 10:27

  4. Linda Baki says:

    Lets not also forget those that have drowned trying to save their pets, only to discover that the dog or cat (yes cats can swim) have managed to crawl out on an embankment further along.

    Duncan Campbell now retired from The Guardian said journalism is no more. Reporters now sit behind their lap tops and report on a story with the most clicks..gone are the days when a journalist would stand in the pouring rain outside a court room to get “real news”. he is correct..

    I agree with your post steve and would even go one step further and say they report outright lies. Sadly people in the blog that 200 speaks of do not research but believe the drip drip of trash that is now called a newspaper.

    September 12th, 2009 at 13:34

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