August 24th, 2009

Divided by Reason

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Take a look at the following video. It involves the fatal shooting of  someone in America by a police officer (it doesn’t actually show the shooting but you see before, hear the shot & see after – nothing gory).

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Now take a look at the news article linked at the Quad City Times which, less than a week after the shooting, reports that the County Attorney comes out in support of the officer saying he was “fully justified“. Spot any differences between the States & the UK?

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  1. SoCal says:

    Unfortunate, but justified. According to the news reports, the officer will actually require plastic surgery, for the off-camera injuries he suffered.

    I don’t understand how this could even be open to interpretation, in the UK? It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

    August 25th, 2009 at 07:38

  2. Linda Baki says:

    When an armed police officer tells you to do something, you do it. That is law and order.

    August 25th, 2009 at 07:50

  3. Tom Gane says:

    I think that this tends to clarify the logic on the post “Arm, Arm Ye Brave.”

    It also nullifies the mistaken faith in the use of a taser. The only weapon available to the officer was his firearm, as the attempt at non-leathal measures failed. Judging by the intensity of tha attack, I suspect had he not used his pistol, it would have resulted in a line of duty death.

    How this lesson could be translated into UK policing is of course subject to debate amongst serving and retired officers, as they consider their accumulated experiences. It may be the case that the weapons are ‘red boxed’ unless the shout merits the use of firearms. However, it may be the case that routine arming follows the US model, in which case police will carry the weapon overtly during the course of the tour of duty, as is the case at our airports.

    Whatever the outcome, I hope that all measures to protect our police will be duly considered. Alas I fear that the spineless leadership will doggedly stick to the assertion that it is not justified.

    August 25th, 2009 at 09:20

  4. Linda Baki says:

    Maybe someone who is not so spineless in the goverment (though have to say no one springs to mind) should suggest a voting system and let the people decide. Crime in England is way out of hand, two sickening incidents this week . 1)An elderly gentleman after spreading his wifes ashes beaten to a pulp, a child of 5 with cancer ,some yobs tried to set light to her.

    What will be the sentencing for these thugs, not much according to the law in England..The prisons are full they tell us as one goes in the front door another is let out the back after serving half of his sentence.

    There is no respect for the police ,they should be armed so that they may protect the innocent and themselves. Laws should be toughned up and when you are given life that should mean life…Talk on the net about Peter Sutcliffe and his possible release in the future…Brown says No…but I have never believed a word he says . The fact that it is even being discussed worries me.

    Apologise have gone off topic.

    August 25th, 2009 at 09:48

  5. Copper bottom says:

    In the uk the officer would be:

    ipcc would be called to investigate;
    a file sent to cps to see if there are grounds for prosecution (of the officer);
    and various people ( community leaders, liberty spokesmen) would be in the media saying the police killed this man without choosing non-lethal alternatives.

    That’s why I have never volunteered for firearms duty.

    August 25th, 2009 at 10:10

  6. Linda Baki says:

    This is England…More like Dodge City…How are unarmed police suppose to handle this carnage?

    August 25th, 2009 at 12:13

  7. copper bottom says:

    who cares?

    (apart from the families of the victims, innocent bystanders and the wives/kids of the coppers etc…)

    not her majesty..

    not Mr Brown..

    The real problem is we are still living in the past. George Dixon of Dock Green does not exist now… but more to the point… the villans are different now… more likely to stab/shoot you to get what they want…

    We think that in some way are SOOOO special in this country- its an arrogance that chokes me- we are different – we are the example… and ALL other countries should follow us…


    We are nothing of the kind!!!

    it time to stop messing around with villans… time to arm ALL Police…

    you dont take a STICK to a GUN FIGHT – unless you want to die…

    August 25th, 2009 at 14:49

  8. Linda Baki says:

    I care Copper Bottom and if the people were allowed a vote you would see just how many more care.

    August 25th, 2009 at 18:58

  9. pchawkeye says:

    One lucky bobby, armed or not it took another passing officer to sway the match, yes he was justified, he was in fear of death and I think a British bobby would argue the same. He’d still have to go through the mill though, unless that is, if he had a boss with a backbone.

    August 25th, 2009 at 20:02

  10. copper bottom says:


    not a chance… its completely out of the Police’s hands when someone dies at the hands of (or within 48-hours of) ANY Police contact.

    I despair of this country… if it wasn’t for my kids I would have left here a long time ago…

    the only thing that makes things happen here is an event that is close enough to an election to have a perceived effect on the out come… i.e. Dunblane shootings.

    I joined with a chap that was murdered by a man armed with a knife- he gave his life to stop a dangerous psycho from killing… the sad fact is – in the USA he would still be alive now…

    his wife-would still have a husband and his kids would still have a dad…

    still- dont matter eh? its only a copper.

    August 25th, 2009 at 20:56

  11. Tony F says:

    The policeman should have shot him earlier. The officer gave clear and concise instructions, and was wilfully disobeyed.

    You might think that this would be a perfect reason for arming our police, and yet, I still feel that all it really showed was that the criminal showed an absolute disrespect for the law. I appreciate that here in the UK, the obvious result from this encounter would have had a totally different outcome. And the scrote would get away with it.

    I wish that someone in our government would grow some balls. New prisons should be built. The ‘human rights’ laws should be repealed, anyone breaking the law should immediately loose any but the basic rights, ie warm, dry and basic food. (Which is more than some get, even after working all their lives.) If found guilty, the punishment should fit the crime. Things like TICs should increase the tariff. I hate to say it, but capital ‘punishment’ should be reinstated. Not necessarily used (often) but nevertheless be on the statute.

    A question that leaps to mind, Why was the officer on his own?

    August 25th, 2009 at 21:30

  12. Linda Baki says:

    A big YES, for capital punishment for child killers.

    August 26th, 2009 at 06:54

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