August 16th, 2009

Just doing the Job

Posted in The Job - Comment by 200

Sometimes you just wish the police would just concentrate on catching criminals & locking up bad guys with a little bit of protection of life & property thrown in.

I suspect a large portion of society feel exactly the same way, and not all of them are Daily Mail readers.

A few years ago, someone decided that an important role of the police was to encourage society to accept  what became known as ‘diversity’. Different cultures, religions, races, sexual persuasions. No longer was it acceptable for people to ignore or criticise things with which they didn’t agree. It went further; we had to openly ‘embrace’ these differences. And it was somehow the job of the police to engage in this social engineering.

Millions of pounds of tax-payers’ cash has been spent on this experiment. I don’t know if it has worked or not, or indeed, how or if any success is measured. I d know that it has caused much resentment both within the police & in the wider community. I’ve reported before on similar issues & I suspect I will be doing so for some time, until someone actually stands up & says that the police should concentrate solely on it’s core functions & those functions don’t include telling people how they should think.

The latest story in this trend is around the National Trans Police Association which is recognised and supported by both the Association of Chief Police Officers and the National Policing Improvement Agency. The aims of the group are to support serving and retired Police Officers, Police Staff and Special Constables with any gender identity issues ‘including, but not exclusively, Trans men, Trans women, people who are Transgender, androgyne or intersex and people who cross dress‘. The organisation currently has around 50 members. They recently opened a mobile police station handing out leaflets & balloons at Manchester’s Gay Village, a three-day trans-gender event.

It follows some criticisms of police officers being allowed to march in uniform at several Gay-Pride events in the last few years. Some forces are falling over themselves to get special gay-friendly employer awards from militant gay support group Stonewall.

Critics have accused the police are wasting time & resources on ‘politically correct’ initiatives. Tory MP Philip Davies said: “I don’t care if a police officer is gay, straight, trans-gender or whatever, I just want them to catch criminals. If they get any funds out of taxpayers’ income, that would be completely and utterly unacceptable. Everyone a few years ago said the police were institutionally racist. Now they are institutionally politically correct.”

Institutionally politically correct…I like that phrase.

ACPO said:  “Diversity staff associations play a key role in helping forces to effectively police our communities. Although ACPO regards its relationship with these staff associations as hugely valuable, ACPO is not responsible for the setting up or the running of staff associations.”

Joanna, a Daily Mail reader from Tunbridge Wells said: “The Brits need you to police our streets and do what you are paid for. Forget your sexuality and do the job“.

For once, I can’t help having some sympathy for the views of a Mail reader.

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  1. Linda Baki says:

    Good morning 200, I did read this article and was tempted to post a link and ask for your opinion. You beat me to it.

    August 17th, 2009 at 08:43

  2. Boy on a bike says:

    Every day should be “whack-a-criminal” day. All else is frog shit.

    August 17th, 2009 at 11:11

  3. Sergeant Twining says:

    Of course AACPO are loving this. This is bull, all of it, the more associations ACPO has the more it can play politically correct games with groups, divide, rule and conquer.I have said this before, some of the worst bigots I have experience of work in diversity. It’s another joke.

    August 17th, 2009 at 13:03

  4. Sergeant Twining says:

    Hugely valuable, as long as you sing their tune! If you sing out of line you can expect to be kicked to touch. ACPO and minority colleagues that are just happy to be in plush offices will make sure of that.

    August 17th, 2009 at 13:06

  5. Fee says:

    Oh dear – I agree with the Daily Mail reader as well. Time to seek treatment, methinks.

    I really don’t give a toss what the average police officer gets up to in their off duty hours. Provided it isn’t illegal then no-one else should either. Although every time I pass an officer for the next wee while, I’m going to wonder if they’re a member of one of these groups.

    Maybe you could start your own? Or would an association for straight white men not be allowed?

    August 17th, 2009 at 13:23

  6. spicy says:

    What’s wrong with the police reaching out to trans people? Have you ever actually met someone who’s gone through a sex change operation? They don’t do it for a laugh. Also, they’ve historically been more likely to be a victim of crime, and also more likely to be treated badly by police through both ignorance and, perhaps, prejudice. If the ONLY people police in manchester did any outreach work with was trans people you might have a point, but given they have a mobile police station every weekend at the city centre market, they take part in community events on a day and daily basis and work with every section of the community I think it’s fair for them to spend a couple of hours with the trannies.

    Catching criminals is EXACTLY what this kind of thing is aimed at as it’s all about building trust in communities. And, believe me, the cops have a lot of work still to do to build that trust with gays and the rest given the force’s history.

    As for the association itself, I work for GMP and as well as the NTPA there is also a christian police association, muslim one, black one, gay one, sports and social club, wrestling team, police band, lacrosse team, sailing team… the list goes on. Provided they aren’t being showered in public money (which they ain’t), what’s the problem?

    August 17th, 2009 at 15:18

  7. Sergeant Twining says:

    There apready is a White Police Assn.

    August 17th, 2009 at 15:38

  8. 200 says:

    what, precisely has having ever met someone who’s gone through a sex change got to do with absolutely anything? And why the comment, ‘they don’t do it for a laugh’ – has someone suggested they do? And even if they do so what?

    I’d be interested in why transexuals are more likely to be a victim of crime than say elderly mothers or white youths aged 17-24, or one-legged Christians, I’m betting, numbers-wise, there are orders of magnitude more victims of crime in those groups.

    Do GMP go out of their way for ACPO-approval & association with the lacrosse team? Do they allow officers time off to attend sailing events in uniform & how many national association of wrestling awards are they hankering after?

    The ONLY thing I need to know about transexuals, gays, black people or Muslims, is the need to treat them equally & with respect. Do any of the groups in GMP have ‘officials’ who are able to spend work time in their core functions, apart from the black police association & the lesbian, gay & transgender support group? I’m guessing that the secretary of the Lacrosse club has no resources provided by the job & must carry out their duties in their own time. correct me if I’m wrong.

    August 17th, 2009 at 15:55

  9. 200 says:


    you are having a laugh, aren’t you?

    August 17th, 2009 at 16:04

  10. Civ_In_The_City says:

    There are a couple of strands to all this that need further discussion. Unless you`re a police officer and wish to discuss them with your colleagues, in which case you`re likely to get dobbed in and sacked.

    A typical argument for the police addiction to the diversity agenda is the view that a force can only police effectively if it is made up of the the same mix of people as the community it serves. I doubt this is actually true to the extent that ACPO types would have us believe. It gets silly when you use statistical methods to determine how many people of this, that or the other ethnicity you have to recruit for a given area.

    What are the odds that an officer of ethnicity “A” happens to be face-to-face with a suspect/victim/whatever of similar ethnicity “A” at any given time? And one side or the other is going to be irritated if they are called upon for their special ‘insight’ every time an ethnicity “A” person comes into the station. It would be like making the female officers always deal with females when they come in. A straight officer is as capable of taking a report from a gay man as vice versa. In the end it make the police seem unprofessional.

    And we can`t have a thread about diversity without mentioning the MacPherson report. If ever there was a weapon wielded to emasculate the police service in this country and bring it under a tighter leash held by the government of the day, then this was it. It was a highly dubious bit of work, with very unstable foundations. It should have been challenged vigorously at the time, for it`s lack of facts and leaps of logic to predetermined conclusions. But it wasn`t and it`s cost us all to this day.

    The diversity agenda would have us believe that we are all victims, and by assuming that role we leave it up to someone else to pull us up. It degrades us all.

    August 17th, 2009 at 17:44

  11. R/T says:

    Oh – outreach, schmoutreach!

    August 17th, 2009 at 19:34

  12. spicy says:

    In GMP there are the following staff associations: black and asian, gay, christian, muslim, jewish, women’s, disabled and I think that’s it. Oh, and don’t forget the Fed and unison (the feb being pretty much a male and white organisation – certainly that’s been my experience when at their open nights). I think all the assocaitions get some time to do association work, apart from the black and asian, which has 2 permanent staff and the gay which has 1.

    The assocaitions are there to build bridges with communities, to encourage them to report crime, encourage them to be confident about coming to police and even consider a career in the police.

    There’s been a lot of research on crime against trans people, actually, which has shown that a) they are more likely to face violent assault than other groups and b) they are less likely to report it to police. Try google if you don’t believe me. If a staff association, which costs next to nothing (I don’t believe the tranny one has received any money from GMP) and participating in these kinds of events can help, where’s the harm?

    Police officers SHOULD be going into schools, they SHOULD be going to community meetings, they SHOULD be participating in events where they can get information out, in my opinion that’s PART of core policing, because if you have police who are actually human beings who people feel they can trust then it makes it more likely that they can be effective. It isn’t exactly rocket science, but hey what do I know – I’m not a jaded retired cop who’s not jaded enough to come back into the force as a civvie and whinge for Britain.

    August 17th, 2009 at 19:34

  13. copper bottom says:

    that is a crock

    August 17th, 2009 at 20:26

  14. 200 says:


    ‘go & google’ it, doesn’t cut any ice, if you wish to make assertions but don;t have the evidence to support it, telling me to go & find evidence to support your argument is pretty lame.

    Firstly, I’m not necessarily saying there is harm (apart from the backlash from the public when they find out where their tax-dollars are going).
    Why don’t you go & Google the amount of crimes against transgender folk. It might surprise you how few there are. The last time I looked at some figures for several forces there hadn’t been any, not one for a particular year. I expect you might say that’s because there are actually hundreds but they’re too scared to report them.

    Given the limited budgets forces have & the need to spread the cash across a wider board, I’m surprised there is a department/group whose sole job it is to encourage transgenders to report crimes while other sections who have many thousands more victims have no or very limited support from the police, and at the very list a relatively miniscule proportion of resources compared to the actual problem. Why are transgenders more important than anyone else. You see, the minute you put resources into one group you neglect another. It’s just that it’s more politically correct to support gay/transgender/minority ethnic people than white Christians.

    I’d much prefer the police to treat everyone equally, based on their own needs without the preconception that I will discriminate against someone because I haven’t done a pathetically condescending diversity course.

    I don’t suppose you’re in one of these departments which wastes millions of pounds of public money each year delivering shite courses by any chance? I expect where you work, everything is absolutely heavenly & there is nothing that you would change for the better, & further, that you have never moaned about anything to do with your employment, Saint Spicy. (Not in a management role, by any chance?)

    August 17th, 2009 at 21:12

  15. MarkUK says:

    Spicy, you are just SOOOOO out of order with your attack on our host.

    With respect to ethnic minorities, homosexuals, tranvestites and transsexuals, “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”.

    What anyone gets up to in their own space in their own time has absolutely sod all to do with me. Each to their own, provided it doesn’t hurt anyone else (without their permission). Hey, that’s an idea – what about a BDSM police association?

    Why these various groups need ACPO recognition is beyond me. Does the Dorsetshire Police Rugby Team need ACPO behind them?

    Treat everyone as you would wish to be treated and there is no need for most of these associations, unless they seek unfair advantage.

    Just go police the streets!

    August 17th, 2009 at 21:13

  16. Sophie says:

    I’m afraid to say I agree with Spicy. Although without the jaded copper remark. xD

    I might not have any statistics, but as the saying goes; “Lies, damn lies and statistics” etc but I think it is good that we have organisations like this in the police service for a couple of reasons.

    The obvious ones like because of Stephen Lawrence and such, getting more people from minority communities involved, that sort of thing. I remember Inspector Gadget talking about how police women were being issued with Muslim head scarves because, although some might consider it something of a cheap tactic, it helps the police get friends in those communities. Which is always a good thing.

    And if this helps the police get more friends and links in the trans community, isn’t that a benefit that is worth the investment?

    We all know that apart from a couple of bad eggs, our colleagues in the police don’t discriminate. But it’s a sad story that quite a few people think we do. Like Spicy says, being out in the community, spreading the good word is an important part of policing and can offer tremendous boons if done well!

    Anyway, I’m rambling.

    The other reasons are somewhat more selfish. What I mean is, for someone to transition in whatever way they do it, it is one of the hardest and most emotionally and mentally difficult things they will ever have to do in their lives. Always looking over their shoulder in case anyone might out them and cause a scene, worried that people won’t accept you, that sort of thing.

    And on top of that you have working in criminal justice, which is another very difficult and trying circumstance. So knowing that you aren’t alone and that there is a support and advocacy group for you that completely understands your issues and problems, is… Well… Nice!

    Again, while we know that apart from a few bad eggs, everyone in the police is rather lovely really, on plenty of occasions I have seen worryingly large numbers of officers (who are lovely otherwise!) making and cracking jokes about transgendered people in the famous ‘police humour’.
    Now, some would see that as totally out of line and I told them to cut it out, other people see it just as a part of the job. A coping mechanism if you will. And by no means am I saying “GAHRGH! The Police are transphobic!” But that sort of light hearted banter can really bring someone down.
    If you knew that your co-workers are making fun of ‘your people’, what would that mean they thought of you if they did find out? Or if they do find out now, what are they saying when you aren’t around?

    Again, just to repeat myself, I am not saying a mass sacking is in order, but when that sort of.. Cop Culture banter has the potential to get people down, it’s nice to know that support network is there if you need it.
    And if you are of the opinion that if you can’t take such a joke you shouldn’t be in the police, well shouldn’t we be out catching criminals and not making jokes about each other? =P

    I’m not expecting anyone to agree with me, but I roll with Spicy’s point of view as to my mind it makes a great deal of sense. It’s not like these associations, be they for trans, gay, christian, black or whoever, are being showered with public money, but they do have great potential!

    I think I’ll stop there I think! xD

    August 18th, 2009 at 01:43

  17. 200 says:


    thanks for refraining from the personal attack.

    If it’s a good thing to support minority groups by the police, which groups do you think we should not support, given that the basic job of a police officer is to prevent & detect crime & the preservation of life, all else is cream & cakes & there is a limit to the cream & cakes we have….

    By the way… I have nothing against any of these associations, I used to belong to one or two police associations in my time. My gripe is about the preferential treatment given to a) the staff/members of those associations within the force & b) the members of the community who are so far not entitled to this preferential treatment.

    So which groups deserve extra support & which don’t?

    August 18th, 2009 at 02:57

  18. copper bottom says:

    if there is ANY hope for us as a species- we must not make ANYONE a special case.

    Making people special cases ignoring law for them -in simply divisive… it give free ammo to those that wish to further their own causes (BNP, Liberty etc…)

    IMHO- the rot started when we gave exemption to turban wearing bikers…

    It dont help! I am sure its don with the best of intentions- but… the road to hell is paved with them…

    August 18th, 2009 at 11:37

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