May 14th, 2009

Chickens & Roosting

Posted in The Job - General by 200

So MPs are falling over each other to pay immorally gained expenses back (before someone sacks them). Isn’t it funny how moral you can becaome when you get found out.

It’s currently being discussed on Question Time. Those who saw the programme might share with me the uneasy thoughts triggered by David Dimbleby’s comment to Margaret Beckett “You’ve been fingered a bit by the Telegraph”. Not nice.

We find out today that one MP has been claiming £16,000 for a mortgage which he wasn’t actually paying, because it had been paid off some time before the claim.

Another couple of Tory MPs who are married to each other have hit on a brilliant money-grabbing scam. Remember, as an MP they can claim costs related to a second home. This couple have a home in a constituency & another in London, so in theory, they can claim on their second home. But they can’t both claim for the same second home, so the clear answer is for the husband MP to say their London home is their second home & claim on that while the wife says the constituency home is their second home & gets to make a full claim on that. Double claim, within the rules, everyone’s a winner,  (except the taxpayer and anyone with any decent moral code). The husband has resigned from his position as a Tory aid (but not as an MP)

In my day claiming cash to fund something which you’re not actually funding & lying about the reasons why you should be given cash (which is your main home & which is a second home) are criminal offences. It’s called fraud. People get their benefits stopped every day if they get found out they’re cheating & many of them find themselves up before the beak.

In the last few days we heard loud calls from within the walls of Westminster for the police to investigate the person who leaked this information to the Telegraph. I’ve not heard many calls for the police to investigate any fraudulent expense claims.

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  1. rolphy says:

    Is it just me, or did Margaret Beckett finally destoy any illusion that ZaNuLab had any shame whatsoever, and that the thieving toerags need to be told what we think at the ballot box!?!

    May 14th, 2009 at 22:28

  2. Legal Eagle says:

    What I think is perhaps most shocking, is not that MPs have been fleecing us for years, but they dont realise how far up sh*t creek they actually are!

    May 15th, 2009 at 07:58

  3. Rach says:

    What is most worrying is that there are so many of them it would take an age to write up all the reports of fraud so for this reason it will be swept under the carpet because the police don’t have the manpower and the time to deal with it.

    I am unfortunately with one of the commenters on last nights question time who stated she was very worried because this could well pave the way for someone like the BNP to now get in.

    The only other suggestion is a complete reshuffle of all cabinets and get rid of the culprits that way.

    May 15th, 2009 at 10:30

  4. Tony F says:

    What really amazes me is that the rules governing MPs allowances are quite strict. That is if they are stuck to. I am not condoning what the ‘theives of westmister’ have been doing, but I suspect many claims were put in in hope, expecting that they would be rejected (Rightly) but when the claims have not been rejected, rather than query it, they have trouserd the cash. Obviously there have been those that have deliberately set out to defraud, and now have been caught red handed. These should be prosecuted. The worse they can expect is a little light community service.

    May 15th, 2009 at 13:32

  5. Civ_In_The_City says:

    On the BBC One Show tonight Giles Brandreth quoted extracts from the actual MP`s rule book on MP`s expenses. You can read it yourself here: (

    The piece he quoted was an extract from the MP`s Code of Conduct and lists some of the qualities of PERSONAL conduct expected of MP`s: “selflessness, integrity, objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and leadership”.

    There are some other fantastic rules and very detailed explanations of what is allowed, and more importantly, what is expected.

    How is it that so many MP`s have gone from “I`ve broken no rules” to “The rules are wrong” to “The rules must change” and to “I`ll pay back the money”. Many still don`t think they`ve done anything wrong, and there are plenty STILL playing the image/spin game and just not getting it.

    They haven`t said as much but just under the surface there is the ‘everyone is doing it’ defence just waiting to burst out.

    I won`t rant on this time but I`ll pick up on a few points.

    1) Stephen Fry was wrong that it`s a storm in a tea-cup. Yes, the Iraq war deserves attention, but this whole thing perfectly highlights the utterly bemused bunch of clowns who are presuming to make laws for all of us. Their obsession with ratings, image and opinion polls has replaced good judgement and personal responsibility. As demonstrated by the Gurkhas cock-up.

    2) It is a curious coincidence that Tony Blairs expenses have accidentally been shredded (my theory about Brown pulling the strings during the Blair years blown out of the water. Blair must still have some very powerful friends and a lot of influence.)

    3) If so many MP`s ‘accidentally’ claimed too much, how come there are a good number of MP`s working under exactly the same rules who decided for themselves that they wouldn`t claim for anything they didn`t feel was reasonable for an MP to claim. Without being told how to do this. Thinking for themselves. Amazing.

    Call it integrity, self-control, decency. You name it, most of them haven`t got a bit of it.

    May 15th, 2009 at 20:01

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