May 13th, 2009

High Noon

Posted in The Job - General, Videos by 200

I must have missed this on the news, probably burried underneath all the shock that some MPs are paying back their ill-gotten gains.

Police shot & killed a man in Durham yesterday. Keith Richards, a 47-year-old father of two was shooting a crossbow from his house at random targets. Armed police arrived. A neighbour is reported to have said, “They warned him plenty of times. They kept telling him to put the weapon down and come out.”

It’s not entirely clear what happened but at some stage an officer opened fire & killed Richards. Henry Porter, of the Guardian knows though, at least he talsk as if he knows all the circumstances since he posted on his blog “Should the police ever shoot to kill?”

He then talks about several cases where people have been shot by the police for the simple act of threatening or trying to kill people with a deadly weapon.

Methinks Mr Porter has been spending too much time watching Hollywood movies. His recommended course of action when someone is about to try & kill someone else, is to shoot them in the shoulder, thus disarming them with the resulting happy conclusion that neither offender or potential target dies. He completely misses the point that by the time an officer takes the decision to pull the trigger it has reached the point where he believes that himself or another person is in imminent threat of being killed. The officer’s only task then is to remove that threat.

I’m not sure how much skill Mr Porter has with a firearm, I don’t have much experience  myself although I have shot a variety of police issue weapons both in the UK & Europe in the non-threatening situation of a target range. The biggest & therefore easiest target is the body mass. You might have one shot. Is he really suggesting that the best tactic for everyone is taking the chance of being able to shoot someone in the arm? You need to make sure the target has no chance whatsoever of harming someone else. You shoot to stop, simple as. The facts that the body mass contains most of the vital organs is both a risk & a blessing.

I can just see it. Police shoot someone in the shoulder who is just about to kill someone, he still manages to fire his gun after being winged. Who’s gonna get the blame then? It sure as hell won’t be Henry Porter.

Perhaps we should just make all people who get drunk & decide the shoot at random people, stop, sit down in the middle of the road & wait until we can get a team of snipers on the case.

All police shootings should be like this.

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  1. says:

    Just read your post and clicked on the article in question.

    You know, I know and anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that it really is the last resort for and AFO to actually use deadly force.

    I can’t bear some of the comments on his “blog” but wouldn’t trust him enough to add my details which are required. After all he does work for the Grungeon even though he uses links to the Sun in his post. That really assists his argument doesn’t it.


    May 13th, 2009 at 23:29

  2. Boy on a bike says:

    I have just finished reading “house to house”, about the battle for Faluja. The author describes numerous scenes where they shot insurgents multiple times in the chest, leg, arm etc with an M4, and the buggers kept on going. He even described one bloke shooting back after they shot both his legs off at the thigh.

    Centre mass, double tap, and if need be, keep on blasting away until they stop moving.

    May 14th, 2009 at 01:27

  3. Fee says:

    I can’t imagine why any officer would volunteer to carry a gun these days. They can’t do right for doing wrong. I’d also imagine they never really put it behind them when they do have to shoot.

    This guy could easily have killed, now he won’t. Ever. If one of my neighbours started firing off a crossbow out of the window, I’d like to think the police would put a halt to it fairly promptly. If that means shooting to kill, then so be it.

    May 14th, 2009 at 12:36

  4. Tony F says:

    Have you seen the mess a crossbow bolt will make of a fleshy target? I suspect this was a suicide by police, and the police person pulling the trigger did exactly the right thing. Sure as eggs are eggs the shooter of the crossbow would have found somewhere fleshy, perhaps a child 2 streets away….Then who would be bleating about the police not preventing it?

    Just as a point of interest, I was a good shot with the 9mm pistol and SLR/SA80/LMG. All, obviously, against targets. These do not move much, and when they do, are usually relatively predictable. A loony with a crossbow is not.

    May 14th, 2009 at 16:15

  5. Matt M says:

    When I was growing up, it seemed that the Sheriff would shot the gun out of the bad guy’s hand in the movies. The bad guy would end up shaking his hand in pain, and would be rounded up and taken to jail.

    I expect that this is the outcome that the public would most like to see.

    May 14th, 2009 at 16:35

  6. James says:

    my experiences of firearms injuries is that once a bullet hits the body it is surprising where it will go. eg going in the lower back and coming out of the back higher up having travelled up the back and deflected off the bone, leaving the body a different direction.

    Also bullets aren’t magic, I would guess that the police shoot when they have no other choice but to stop the person.

    May 14th, 2009 at 19:42

  7. Ian says:

    Lt Mark Evison of 1st Battalion Welsh Guards, was hit in the shoulder at a checkpoint in Helmand on 9 May. He died in Birmingham on Tuesday. A good soldier just like all the rest who have died.
    As seen from the above . Not everyone survives from being shot in the shoulder richards. henry porter, of the Guardian is just an idiot. And has seen to many James bond movies.
    I have also shot weapons of all types over the years. And I am just a member of the public who has been around the use of firearms from a early age. And when it has come to opening fire and someone is pointing a crossbow or a firearm. Then it is a you or me job and the first shot fired in most cases are that either you or the scumbag is dead. With a bit of know how and continual practice hopefully the scumbag will be the turd that hits the ground first. And I have no doubt that scumbag was high on booze or some sort of addiction. And something else I would be a shamed to admit that he had been my father

    May 14th, 2009 at 20:18

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