not difficult to read, it’s just your line breaks are strange like it’s phrased as a poem, bit odd, that’s all.

Is it difficult to read?
(Could be to do with my screen.)

George

“and lets not forget it was officers trying to ressucitate him whilst the protestors felt the best way to get there message across was to throw more bottles at police”

lies coming from the police again.

it would be one thing if he’d died and the police had told the truth and investigated properly from the off and, god forbid, the officer that attacked him coming forward straight away.

but no. they’ve lied and the ipcc have fucked up including tell journlists to leave the story. and have only been caught out when there is overwelming evidence.

the police as a whole have failed massively over this.

why do you always lay ou your points like they are some kind of poem?

But the attacker in this case,
(with his deliberately obscured shoulder number)
has only been “suspended from duty”
and is still free to walk the streets
with his unduly violent attitude.

Why hasn’t the perpetrator in this case been treated as a perperator who was member of the public would have been treated had a police officer been the victim of such a vicious and inappropriate assault?

Or is that the point?

George

P.S It was a bit like a replay of the start of the WA case
[your post 2009-03-15] with totally OTT gungho and thoughtless police action. Fortunately no-one has died in the WA case, yet.

What’s next on the list? To me it involves physical contact. Mr Tomlinson, for reasons he took to the grave with him, chose to walk that path. He chose to walk slowly in front of an advancing police line with shields and dogs at the ready. Any normal thinking human being would avoid being in such a situation and if by chance they stumbled into it they would move quickly to get out of it.

The discretion someone above says they’d like to see with officers using judgement to decide on a quick glance if someone is naughty or someone is nice just isn’t realistic for a public order situation. There was no option just to let Tomlinson filter through the police line.

A single baton strike followed by a palm heel strike seems hard but then can the officers afford to get into subtle pushes etc? Especially if the subject has already ignored verbal commands? With a couple of police dogs in such close proximity the heavy shove may actually have prevented him inadvertently stumbling into some sharp jaws.

Any death is sad. The inquiry is necessary. But it should be allowed to run its course without people conducting a trial by media based on a short piece of footage out of context.

However slowly he may have been walking, Mr Tomlinson did not qualify for a baton strike and further violence from police officers. He was not acting in a violent way, even if (as has been stated but not proven) he was walking too slowly. If he was obstructing the police, he should have been arrested not assaulted.

I can understand how hw felt, being obstructed on his way home from work by police officers. I can also understand why the police MAY have needed to close the street he wanted to use.

Simply being p***ed off with the police does not allow a police officer to use violence. Neither does it allow a superior to ignore the attack.

This needs a really deep enquiry.

Can you explain to me how you came to this conclusion? If you read my post properly, I have stated the push looks excessive, but I am not jumping on the anti-police band wagon until the ‘full facts’ are known.

Reading your advice about how demonstrations should be policed have you considered becoming a tactical advisor for the police? Your obvious talent will be wasted if you dont!!

Do you really think the violent protesters will not take advantage of police lines allowing apparently peaceful protesters through? I suggest they will pretend to be innocent before throwing bottles at officers from behind. Im sorry, but if you choose to attend these demonstrations knowing what is likely to occur, then you cant complain about the police clearing your climate camp whilst trying to maintain order.

Your opinion seems to be formed through lovely rose tinted spectacles!!

But in the end, if a guy who is not part of the demo and who is just walking home ends up dead, and if it proves that the treatment at the hands of the police is to blame, it will be a disgrace.

I feel the basic problem arises because of the mentality displayed by Same Old Faces: if anywhere in a widespread area covered by the demo there are any violent demonstrators, never mind whether they are easily recognizable and pretty much localized and together, everybody in the demo is fair game for a bit of a beating. Doesn’t matter whether you are a minor, a pensioner, neatly dressed or scruffy, clearly prepared for violence or not, behaving calmly or not. Anybody who is not a police officer is fair game.

I’d say that a trained police officer with any experience should be able to see at a glance whether a protester is in the least likely intent on violence. The stupid blanket tactics employed here don’t seem to have left any room for indidivual judgment by officers.

Is it really that hard, when kettling, to have a reinforced opening in a quiet area of the cordon, where people can leave one by one if officers judge they are not going to cause a problem?

No police officer that I know of has as yet offered any plausible explanation why the entirely peaceful Climate Action camp was violently cleared. Why was there no police liaison who indicated a reasonable amount of time in advance that the camp should be cleared? What on earth are these officers thinking?

If the police want the support from the public, they need to recognize that their tactics should allow for much more careful distinction between how they treat violent and peaceful demonstrators.

What the public actually think is that this would have been swept under the carpet, with some mild besmitching on the character of the recently deceased without the video. Remember Jean Charles? That ‘heavy’ jacket, the leaping over the barrier that never took place, or the wires hanging out.

THIS is what the police are coming to represent to the public; This is your reputation that this thug is ruining [if the situation were reversed, does anyone REALLY think that the perp would not end up inside?] I am surprised that you are so sanguine at it’s ruin