January 22nd, 2009

Choosing Laws

Posted in Other Stuff by 200

I suspect that an awful lot of police officers will have rejoiced at the news that an illegal traveller settlement has been given the boot by the High Court today, possibly not very loudly, lest the anti-racist brigade pipe up, but there will be many agreeing with Lord Justice Pill.

Quite some years ago, travellers set up an illegal encampment in Crays Essex.  They did this because they don’t give a shit for the law of the land and do whatever the hell they please knowing that threats or acts of violence to anyone who opposes them often work & whilst defying the laws they choose, they call on the full force of certain laws (human rights, for instance) to get their way. They proceeded to develop the land, lay roads, build houses on the protected Green Belt land. The local council issued enforcement notices to clear the site four years ago.

The High Court blocked the council’s proceedings ordering a judicial review of the council’s decision. Today three law lords agreed that the council’s actions & decision were pefectly lawful leavng the way open for the travellers to be evicted & the site demolished.

Several of the Irish travellers, when interviewed after today’s decision, stated their intention to remain on site saying it would take the Army to get them out.

What an excellent idea!

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  1. Blueknight says:

    In a nutshell, if ‘The council’ believe that the planning act has been breached by building or changing the use of the land without permission, they may issue an enforcement notice ordering the land owner to cease the use, remove the building etc.
    The notice has a compliance date, usually a month or two depending what has to be done, then after that if the landowner does not comply, a prosecution may follow. The notice can be appealed, which may have happened in this case.
    The problem comes when the Council take the case to Court and the landowner gets fined, but the change of use and buildings remain.
    The Council can try for an injunction, or go for direct action which means removing the caravans and buildings and returning the site to its fomer use.
    The whole thing is a very expensive process and it is the tax payers that have to pay.
    In March – April 2008, a group of ‘travellers’ moved on to site in Darlingcott, near to the home of Tessa Jowell MP. That is still being sorted by a public enquiry
    This sort of thing is happening to a lesser degree in towns and country areas all over

    January 23rd, 2009 at 00:15

  2. TheBinarySurfer says:

    Saves the army some money on targets, saves the CJS some money, saves the locals having to replace the church roof on a monthly basis…

    January 23rd, 2009 at 02:21

  3. Paul says:

    Never mind the army. I’m sure if there’s the chance of bodily chucking ‘travellers’ of a site there will be plenty of cops wanting to get their own back on the f***ers ….. err sorry, enforce the law I meant.

    Round our way (you’ve probably seen it) they’ve set up camp near the A14, the main road through the region E-W a very busy dual carriageway. And the spineless council are going to put up soundproofing for them.

    January 23rd, 2009 at 07:16

  4. Paul says:

    I like the French idea. I observed this first hand nr Meaux (west of Paris). No sooner had the travellers arrived ‘on site’ than the gendarmes descended on them mob handed, checking the legality of absolutely everything and acting rapidly when necessary.

    They do not appear to have PDR Diversity tests in France.

    January 23rd, 2009 at 07:18

  5. john says:

    What you mean is that, in France, they have a lot more botle than the or-tho-rites do here. And they do not have a well-staffed “gipsy liason department”
    Around here, they arrived at a carpark at 1030z, with LOADS of witnesses, use flame cutting gear to burn the height restriction down, and then stayed for nearly 3 weeks while the education and welfare checks were carried out….on children checked about 3 dozen times every year….when forced to leave they promptly moved into another carpark !

    January 23rd, 2009 at 15:45

  6. eric roberts says:

    I enjoyed the coverage by the BBC. Showed an old women in a caravan being handed triplets that were a couple of days old, arrrrrgh. We know who’s side the BEEB is on, don’t we.

    January 23rd, 2009 at 19:54

  7. Tony F says:

    I think a Harrier strike and some nicely targeted LGBs would do the trick. Or perhaps a nuclear waste dump next door?

    January 23rd, 2009 at 20:25

  8. MarkUK says:

    A bloke I met had gyppos move on to some land he owned (he was a haulage & storage contractor, with an eye to expand).

    Being a fairly large and forthright chap, he went down to reason with the travellers (aka to give them 60 minutes notice to quit). They told him that it would be illegal for him to shift them. He departed, aparently foiled.

    20 minutes later, he reappeared in a JCB. The travellers reminded him that he couldn’t use violence to evict them. He agreed, and moved towards the back of the campsite and started to dig.

    When he’d dug a trench about two thirds of the way around the campsite, they caught on. “You’ll block us in”. “I’m just digging on my own land; there is currently a way out. I’m going for a tea break, but I’ll be back in 20 minutes to finish this ditch.”

    They were gone before he came back!

    January 23rd, 2009 at 21:15

  9. Plodnomore says:

    I understand that the travellers are planning an appeal against the latest court decision (using legal aid “as they haven’t any money”) but are busy buying up land adjacent to where they are currently trespassing and plan to move onto that if they lose the appeal. I doubt if anyomne has asked where they got that money from, or demanded payment for the last lot of legal aid they received, especially as it has been shown that all own land and/or houses in Eire, probably on the grounds that to do so would be “racist”. In the meantime, taxpayers are funding their parasitical lifestyle.

    January 23rd, 2009 at 21:18

  10. john says:

    Parasitical and illegal. Frequently violent.

    January 24th, 2009 at 03:25

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