January 18th, 2009

What if there is?

Posted in Other Stuff by 200

I’m not a religious man but my wife is, well she’s religious, she’s not a man, obviously (although I suppose in this day & age that’s not so obvious).

So it’s in something of a quandary that I feel a little strange seeing buses driving round with the anti-religious message “There’s probably no God so stop worrying & enjoy your life”. I kind of feel funny on behalf of my wife.

For a start, why is it assumed that people who believe in God worry, and that they don’t enjoy their life?

I guess, this message, which comes from the atheist lobby, at least is offensive to pretty much all religions (well those that have a belief in a god). Thankfully, we’ve not seen any calls for the people who made the message to be killed, nor have we seen any burning flags in the streets.

I wonder what would have happened had the message said “There’s probably no Allah….”

It was refreshing to read this week that a Christians bus driver who refused to drive the buses with this message all down the side, has not been sacked, and that there are no reports of him or his bus company suing each other. What has happened is that the company have made suitable adjustments so that he can drive buses which don’t have the message thereon.

Life could be so much easier if more people adopted the same policy.

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  1. sc says:

    Hmm, but I also wonder what would have been the result had an athiest driver refused to drive a bus advertising an alpha course?

    January 18th, 2009 at 23:39

  2. James says:

    I think it may have something to do with America – in that the religious lobby there are trying to push their views eg creationism, or in newspeak: intelligent design, to be taught in science lessons alongside evolution, sans scientific questioning. There’s protest movements against it such as the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

    It has taken western society a long time to become secular. It could be that atheist groups see the religious lobby seeking to reverse that, and are jumping the gun.

    January 19th, 2009 at 03:28

  3. ginger says:

    I think you make a good point about the assumptions that Christians don’t enjoy life. Richards Dawkins and his ilk are atheists and perfectly entitled to hold such views; I disagree but would always defend their right to hold them. However, I find it a bit sad that they find it necessary to disparage and ridicule others’ honestly-held views. Espouse your own views, fine – but why does this have to take the form of pooh-poohing others?

    January 19th, 2009 at 13:37

  4. Tony F says:

    As an Atheist, I see that certain people need a prop such as a non existent sky pixie, in the same way that some need drugs or alcohol.

    All wars are caused by godbothers arguing over whether the spelling in their favourite tract agree/disagree with their perceived belief.

    Religion may bring personal peace. But never International Peace.

    January 19th, 2009 at 17:16

  5. SamYeager says:

    “Religion may bring personal peace. But never International Peace.”

    Our path is clear then – scrap the war on terror, convince everyone that atheism is the one true and universal belief and we’ll have perfect peace throughout the world. Shouldn’t be too difficult!

    January 19th, 2009 at 19:33

  6. 200 says:

    sc, I suspect the result would have been exactly the same, the (sensible) company would have made reasonable arrangements so he didn’t have to drive the bus. A few complaints over a chat in the local supermarket & end of story.
    Had it been an anti Muslim message, we’d still be putting the flames out now.

    Tony F
    Ah, the ‘religion is the cause of all war’ chestnut. Wars are caused by small groups of individuals not by religion.

    January 19th, 2009 at 23:38

  7. 19 says:

    200 just out of interest what do you think the word ‘Allah’ means? It means as I’m sure you know God, just as much as ‘Yahweh’ or any other name other religions use.
    So the message was aimed at all people of monotheistic belief, Muslims, Jews and Christians. If the message had used the word ‘Allah’ it would have obviously been aimed at Muslims or if YHVH was used it would have been aimed at Jews and offence would understandably been caused.

    January 21st, 2009 at 22:25

  8. 200 says:

    19, just out of interest, did you actually read the post, specifically the bit which said: “I guess, this message, which comes from the atheist lobby, at least is offensive to pretty much all religions”?

    However, I see a dichotomy in your assertion that if Allah had been used then offence would have been caused, because it sounds like you’re saying that because the word God is used then Christians are not offended, or have I not read that right?

    January 21st, 2009 at 23:21

  9. PC Plastic Fuzz says:

    How about this?


    February 2nd, 2009 at 18:06

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